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Talk:Arguments for the existence of God (view source)
Revision as of 19:43, November 9, 2008
, 19:43, November 9, 2008→Cosmological Arguments: new section
: I fail to see how this is relevant to the arguments at hand. The question is not: "How old is the Universe?"; the question is: "How old could the Universe be?". Since we are making logical arguments here, rather than empirical claims, what some atheists believe or what some theists believe is utterly irrelevant. To which physicist did you speak? At best, that person seems to be misunderstanding the question.
: I fail to see how this is relevant to the arguments at hand. The question is not: "How old is the Universe?"; the question is: "How old could the Universe be?". Since we are making logical arguments here, rather than empirical claims, what some atheists believe or what some theists believe is utterly irrelevant. To which physicist did you speak? At best, that person seems to be misunderstanding the question.
: If you want to get into a credentials fight, I promise I'll win. I would, of course, prefer to win this debate on the merits, but I realize that this is not always possible on the Internet, where I don't have the power to flunk people who aren't paying attention. [[User:NosnhoJE|NosnhoJE]] 03:26, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
: If you want to get into a credentials fight, I promise I'll win. I would, of course, prefer to win this debate on the merits, but I realize that this is not always possible on the Internet, where I don't have the power to flunk people who aren't paying attention. [[User:NosnhoJE|NosnhoJE]] 03:26, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
== Cosmological Arguments ==
Although the cosmological arguments make some sense, they don't really imply the ''Christian'' God, or really any specific sort of god, merely ''a'' god. Deism, along with all sorts of other theisms, and even agnosticism, is still compatible with these arguments. I'm not sure how or even if the page should reflect this, but they're not terribly good arguments.
I personally feel the other arguments, as well as apologeticism in general, are false, but at least arguable, and they do prove some manner of "Christian-like" God in that they prove the existence of anything. Plus, they all have very nice objections/counterpoints. However, the cosmological arguments are just... inadequate. Nobody really uses them for proofs of God, just "a god." [[User:Zastem|Zastem]] 14:43, 9 November 2008 (EST)