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Talk:Homosexuals and the Holocaust (view source)
Revision as of 16:06, November 12, 2008
, 16:06, November 12, 2008identity vs. behavior - again
::: One thing to consider is that it's far more difficult to identify homosexuals than Jews, especially using the methods that the Nazis did. When you have synagogues with membership lists, exclusively Jewish communities, and people who, a few years before, had no reason to hide their identity, it's a lot easier to pick them out. The majority of gay people are private about their life style, you can't make a definitive definition of who's gay by tracking them through their ancestors, and, while they do (I can't speak for whether they did in the WWII era) have some gathering places and communities that are frequented by many gay people, there aren't many, and there probably were far fewer at the time, places that have lists that identify gay people. That makes it a little difficult to compare the percentages of Jews that were targetted to the percentages of gays. [[User:Mikek|Mikek]] 10:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)
::: One thing to consider is that it's far more difficult to identify homosexuals than Jews, especially using the methods that the Nazis did. When you have synagogues with membership lists, exclusively Jewish communities, and people who, a few years before, had no reason to hide their identity, it's a lot easier to pick them out. The majority of gay people are private about their life style, you can't make a definitive definition of who's gay by tracking them through their ancestors, and, while they do (I can't speak for whether they did in the WWII era) have some gathering places and communities that are frequented by many gay people, there aren't many, and there probably were far fewer at the time, places that have lists that identify gay people. That makes it a little difficult to compare the percentages of Jews that were targetted to the percentages of gays. [[User:Mikek|Mikek]] 10:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)
I haven't labeled the museum as activists. Rather, I identified them as a source '''used by''' activists.
And I concede the difficulty Mike points out. But linking the anti-homosexuality rhetoric of American conservatives to the Nazi Holocaust is unwarranted. Perhaps it depends on the tacit assumption that sex is an life requirement like breathing or a need (like drinking and eating).
But Jews were rounded up based on identity, while Homosexuals were arrested only for having public sex. Those pretending not to see the difference should avoid this discussion. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:06, 12 November 2008 (EST)