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Talk:Homosexuals and the Holocaust (view source)
Revision as of 19:38, November 12, 2008
, 19:38, November 12, 2008Long comment.
:Where on earth are you getting this idea that homosexuals were only arrested for having sex in public? The terms of the legislation ruled against [http://www.holocaust-trc.org/parag175.htm "lewd and lascivious acts with another male"] irrespective of whether it was in public or in private, & the Nazis used police lists of suspected homosexuals as well as a special Gestapo division to root out closet homosexuals & identify secret homosexual meeting places. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 12:09, 12 November 2008 (EST)
:Where on earth are you getting this idea that homosexuals were only arrested for having sex in public? The terms of the legislation ruled against [http://www.holocaust-trc.org/parag175.htm "lewd and lascivious acts with another male"] irrespective of whether it was in public or in private, & the Nazis used police lists of suspected homosexuals as well as a special Gestapo division to root out closet homosexuals & identify secret homosexual meeting places. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 12:09, 12 November 2008 (EST)
::I should point out that at the time Britain and most (possibly all?) of the US also considered homosexual acts to be a criminal offense. It wasn't at all unusual prosecute homosexuality - many held, and indeed many still do hold, the view that the state has a compelling increase in fighting homosexuality as a threat to public health and morality. The UK faced a lot of opposition to legalising homosexuality, and the US has a few states that would likely re-criminalise it if the supreme court hadn't somehow declared gay sex to be a civil right. What defined the Nazi approach isn't that they criminalised homosexuality, but the '''enthusiasm''' with which they did so - tightening the laws, establishing a specialist department with the single role of finding and catching homosexuals, and subjecting those arrested to cruel 'treatments' or to likely death in a concentration camp. They took the criminalisation of homosexuality to an extreme, singling it out above other sex crimes as specific menace to society and demonising homosexuals in propaganda as an 'enemy within' that would try to destroy Germany. While only a small percentage of homosexuals were actually prosecuted, this is not for a lack of trying - were it not for the identification process being so unreliable and time-consuming (Compared to the ease of Jew-finding), the Nazis would certinly have been more than happy to execute every single homosexual or bisexual person in Germany. But, if you want an alternative view, you can always study [[Scott Lively]]. [[User:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]] 14:38, 12 November 2008 (EST)