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Pick one. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] ^{[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]} 14:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Pick one. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] ^{[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]} 14:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)

You are correct that evolution does not claim that (although it might stretch back to what we wouldn't call a cell)

:You are correct that evolution does not claim that (although it might stretch back to what we wouldn't call a cell)

Of those options I choose number one, its the clear answer; we just don't know yet. We have some ideas (and probably the first organism wasn't that complex, everything we see today is the result of billions of years of evolution) and some evidence that looks fairly inviting (miller-urey)but we just don't know and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise doesn't have the scientific community behind them. One of the other charges against expelled is that Ben Stein asked various scientists to tell him about some of the hypotheses for abiogenesis and then he portrayed them as what these scientists accepted as verified fact rather than as the educated guesses that they are. --[[User:Brendanw|Brendanw]] 15:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)

:Of those options I choose number one, its the clear answer; we just don't know yet. We have some ideas (and probably the first organism wasn't that complex, everything we see today is the result of billions of years of evolution) and some evidence that looks fairly inviting (miller-urey)but we just don't know and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise doesn't have the scientific community behind them. One of the other charges against expelled is that Ben Stein asked various scientists to tell him about some of the hypotheses for abiogenesis and then he portrayed them as what these scientists accepted as verified fact rather than as the educated guesses that they are. --[[User:Brendanw|Brendanw]] 15:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)

:: From my observation, most would go for options 1 ''and'' 4.  And that includes much of the scientific community.[http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/703/],[http://creationontheweb.com/todd]  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:03, 15 November 2008 (EST)