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:: From my observation, most would go for options 1 ''and'' 4.  And that includes much of the scientific community.[http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/703/],[http://creationontheweb.com/todd]  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:03, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 
:: From my observation, most would go for options 1 ''and'' 4.  And that includes much of the scientific community.[http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/703/],[http://creationontheweb.com/todd]  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:03, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 
::: Do you people read references before you post them? Both of those quotes are talking about methodological naturalism. The Divine hypothesis accommodate every single bit of evidence imaginable, and because of that we got very little science done because people were happy saying that God did it, but once we gave that up and choose to look for only natural causes to things science accelerated. In the first quote he talks about science not meeting its promises and just so stories, the not meeting there promises part is about us not having teleporters and androids and power too cheap to meter. The just so stories are possible explanations for how something might logically have evolved, since evolution is driven by every little thing in there surroundings and a bit of chance (its not completely random, but like everything chance is involved) and we really have no chance to figure that stuff out yet. The God hypothesis is a science stopper, once you accept that you stop learning, we have seen it again and again and the DI's inability to produce any new science is even more proof of it. --[[User:Brendanw|Brendanw]] 13:27, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 
::: Do you people read references before you post them? Both of those quotes are talking about methodological naturalism. The Divine hypothesis accommodate every single bit of evidence imaginable, and because of that we got very little science done because people were happy saying that God did it, but once we gave that up and choose to look for only natural causes to things science accelerated. In the first quote he talks about science not meeting its promises and just so stories, the not meeting there promises part is about us not having teleporters and androids and power too cheap to meter. The just so stories are possible explanations for how something might logically have evolved, since evolution is driven by every little thing in there surroundings and a bit of chance (its not completely random, but like everything chance is involved) and we really have no chance to figure that stuff out yet. The God hypothesis is a science stopper, once you accept that you stop learning, we have seen it again and again and the DI's inability to produce any new science is even more proof of it. --[[User:Brendanw|Brendanw]] 13:27, 15 November 2008 (EST)
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:::: "''Do you people read references before you post them?''":  Yes.
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:::: "''Both of those quotes are talking about methodological naturalism.''":  Really?
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:::: "''The Divine hypothesis accommodate every single bit of evidence imaginable...''": Wrong.  Evolution seems pretty good at that, though.
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:::: "''...and because of that we got very little science done because people were happy saying that God did it...The God hypothesis is a science stopper...''":  Absolutely wrong.  Most of the founders of modern science were creationists and were scientists ''because'' they were creationists.  Rather than it hindering their science, it was ''[[natural science#beginnings|responsible for]]'' modern science.
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:::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:21, 16 November 2008 (EST)
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