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→[[United States Army Signal Corps]]: response
I have no problem placing the Coleman material in a section WITHIN THE MCCARTHY PIECE devoted to the US States Army Signal Corps investigation. I notice, however, that you have locked this article for editing. Why?
I have no problem placing the Coleman material in a section WITHIN THE MCCARTHY PIECE devoted to the US States Army Signal Corps investigation. I notice, however, that you have locked this article for editing. Why?
--[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 12:04, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
--[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 12:04, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:OK. The 205 is a leak from the FBI [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/%22Operations_of_the_MGB_Residency_at_New_York%2C_1944-45%22] and refers to persons active in Soviet intelligence operations; while being active in Soviet intelligence operations would also make a person a securtity risk, the 87
:I misspoke. The context reads,
::"I KNOW [ABSOLUTELY] THAT OF ONE GROUP APPROXIMATELY 300 CERTIFIED TO THE SECRETARY FOR DISCHARGE, HE ACTUALLY DISCHARGED ONLY APPROXIMALTEY 80....THE DAY ...HISS [was exposed]...YOU SIGNED AN ORDER FORBIDDING THE STATE DPEARTMENSTS GIVING TO THE CONGRESS ANY INFORMATION...DISPISTE THIS STATE DEPARTMENT BLACKOUT, '''WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLIE A LIST OF 57''' COMMUNISTS IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT.THIS LIST IS AVAILABLE TO YOU, BUT YOUI CAN GET A MUCH LONGERT LIST BY ORDERING THE ....LIST OF THOSE WHOM YOUR OWN BOARD LISTED AS BEING DISLOYAL....
:'''Analysis of the above'''.
:What McCarthy was referencing as "known to you" is the previous list of 300, of which McCarthy distilled 57 "avalable to you" which supposedly Truman already knew.
:In the mainspace article [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Joseph_McCarthy&action=edit§ion=2] we have a reference to the June 1947 Senate Appropriations Committee communication to George Marshall which I beleive comes from the Moynihan Commission Report. This link [http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/jepeurifoy.htm] uses the same language and gives us more context:
::''The memorandum listed the names of nine of these State Department officials and said that they were "only a few of the hundreds now employed in varying capacities who are protected and allowed to remain despite the fact that their presence is an obvious hazard to national security." On June 24, 1947, Assistant Secretary of State John Peurifoy notified the chairman of the Senate subcommittee that ten persons had been dismissed from the department, five of whom had been listed in the memorandum. But from June 1947 until McCarthy's Wheeling speech in February 1950, the State Department did not fire one person as a loyalty or security risk. In other branches of the government, however, more than 300 persons were discharged for loyalty reasons alone during the period from 1947 to 1951.
:The Hiss reference I could probably dig up a cite if I had to, but its on hold for the time being.
:You say, ''Since McCarthy admits he has no access to the records''; untrue. McCarthy didn't have complete records and had gained much in oral briefings from Hoover. McCarthy made the reference to 205 10 February 1950; the source document states,
::''A total of 206 persons have been identified as having been active in Soviet intelligence operations for the MGB in the United states and a chart breaking this figure down is set forth in this memorandum. This memorandum was initially prepared for the Director on 10-26-50 ...'' [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/%22Operations_of_the_MGB_Residency_at_New_York%2C_1944-45%22]
:so one more had been added to the FBI's investigation of persons active in Soviet espionage between 10 February 1950 and 26 October 1950, when J. Edgar Hoover, the Director, initially prepared this memorandum.
:I didn't lock another Admin did; there's persistent vandalism when unlocked. That's why we're using Talk page. ![[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)