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Talk:Messianic Judaism (view source)
Revision as of 19:08, November 22, 2008
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::::My commentaries don't share your perspective, including the NIV Study Bible, which is a huge one. If Paul saw a major problem within a church he would jump on it like he did in his letters to the Galatians and Corinthians. Paul was never shy when it came to pointing out shortcomings. Nevertheless, I am not going to tell you how you should believe. Your readings and perspectives are your own. But I am going to tell you that if we have a statement in the article claiming a specific historical event, then there better be specific historical backing for that position. You know the rules Fox. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:46, 22 November 2008 (EST)
::::My commentaries don't share your perspective, including the NIV Study Bible, which is a huge one. If Paul saw a major problem within a church he would jump on it like he did in his letters to the Galatians and Corinthians. Paul was never shy when it came to pointing out shortcomings. Nevertheless, I am not going to tell you how you should believe. Your readings and perspectives are your own. But I am going to tell you that if we have a statement in the article claiming a specific historical event, then there better be specific historical backing for that position. You know the rules Fox. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:46, 22 November 2008 (EST)
:::::I know that there are rules for some religions and not for others. Nowhere else on CP is anybody harried and pursued about "ancient texts" except with regard to Jewish believers. For some reason, we are beholden to a substantially higher burden of proof than ANY other denomination or sect written about within this wiki. Fortunately such proofs are available. I would direct you to J. A. Fitzmyer's excellent commentary on Romans, (Anchor Bible Commentary, New York: Doubleday, 1993) or Leander E. Keck's "The New Interpreter's Bible" (Abingdon Press, 2003 ISBN 0-6870-6347-7) as a starting point on your studies. [[Image:User Fox.png|10px]] [[User:Fox|שועל]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 13:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)
:::::I know that there are rules for some religions and not for others. Nowhere else on CP is anybody harried and pursued about "ancient texts" except with regard to Jewish believers. For some reason, we are beholden to a substantially higher burden of proof than ANY other denomination or sect written about within this wiki. Fortunately such proofs are available. I would direct you to J. A. Fitzmyer's excellent commentary on Romans, (Anchor Bible Commentary, New York: Doubleday, 1993) or Leander E. Keck's "The New Interpreter's Bible" (Abingdon Press, 2003 ISBN 0-6870-6347-7) as a starting point on your studies. [[Image:User Fox.png|10px]] [[User:Fox|שועל]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 13:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)
::::::You make a claim of blame against a different religious tradition that so far has not produced an ancient source. Do not try to deflect this into a persecution issue -- simply provide it. I'm glad there are excellent commentaries. What do they quote? Please provide either in a private email or here. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:08, 22 November 2008 (EST)
(Unindent) You could take this article any number of ways. There is much history that could be discussed that isn't. Arguably the original Church described in Acts is Messianic Judaism. All of the Disciples were Jewish, Jesus was Jewish, and the word 'Christian' had never been invented. What happened from these early roots? How did the early church view gentile converts to what they considered to be Judaism with Messiah fulfillment? What conferences took place to decide what to do with gentiles who were grafted in and what decisions were made? When the church was persecuted and forced to scatter, what impact did it have? Paul would preach in synogague after synogague trying to reach his people before he would preach to the gentiles. Was he successful? Did any Jewish enclaves form apart from gentile believers? What eventually happened to the Jerusalem Church? Paul was taking up donations from the gentile churches to help out Jerusalem. That interrelationshp is not discussed. What impact did the Jewish revolt have on Messianic believers? As the church spread and became a new religion, what happened to the original Messianic roots? Did they assimilate? There's a lot you can do with the discussing the rich roots Messianic Judaism apart from they were persecuted by gentiles. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:08, 22 November 2008 (EST)