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Line 3: − + − :::I don't believe that Obama believes in biblical Christianity/classical orthodox Christianity.[http://nationalclergycouncil.org/010807BarackObama.htm] I am opposed to "liberal Christianity" as I think the evidence points to it often being wrongheaded.[http://home.earthlink.net/~gbl111/liberalism.htm] Conservapedia does not say Obama is a Muslim. Conservapedia says Obama is likely a Muslim. Regardless, I believe and for good reasons that Obama (see my comments on the Obama talk page) is extremely unlikely to be a Muslim. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:01, 27 November 2008 (EST) + − + + + − + − :::As the story unfolds, I think it will be shown that Obama was born in Hawaii as it appears now that he born in Hawaii. It is a moot point now because I don't see judges overturning an election and likely causing riots. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:01, 27 November 2008 (EST)+ − ::::Not only moot, but who really cares? Lots of people wanted the [[Governator]] to run, even though technically he was born in Austria. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 17:44, 27 November 2008 (EST)+ + + − + − :::As the Obama 57 states and bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor comment become more widely known, public confidence in the liberal mainstream will further erode (perhaps the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor comment was just a gaffe as he appeared to be reading off of notes. However, the more I know about Obama the less confident I am that he is sufficiently knowledgeable about history to be an excellent president of the United States/commander in chief. I think the "my Muslim faith" comment was likely just a mistake and it will not have much of an effect on the public at large mistakenly seeing Obama as likely being a Muslim. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:01, 27 November 2008 (EST)+ +
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==Religion==
==Religion==
Obama says he's a Christian. Conservapedia says he's a Muslim.
'''Obama says he's a Christian. Some conservatives say he's a Muslim.'''
* I don't believe that Obama believes in biblical Christianity/classical orthodox Christianity.[http://nationalclergycouncil.org/010807BarackObama.htm] I am opposed to "liberal Christianity" as I think the evidence points to it often being wrongheaded.[http://home.earthlink.net/~gbl111/liberalism.htm] Conservapedia does not say Obama is a Muslim. Conservapedia says Obama is likely a Muslim. Regardless, I believe and for good reasons that Obama (see my comments on the Obama talk page) is extremely unlikely to be a Muslim. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:01, 27 November 2008 (EST)
* From what I've read, I believe that it's clear that Obama's Christianity is nominal or quite liberal, but not biblical. But the evidence of him being a closet Muslim is very weak at best (and exceeded by evidence for being non-Muslim), and more realistically is simply wrong in some cases (e.g. Muslim pronunciation of Pakistan), logically invalid (swearing on the Koran), or irrelevant (that he didn't change his name). The article has mostly said unequivocally that he ''is'' a Muslim, although this did get changed recently (but it's perhaps too soon to see if that sticks). [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:54, 27 November 2008 (EST)
* I think the "evidence" being presented here that Obama is a muslim is very forced. It seems like people really want to have something to criticize him about, so they twist anything they can to say that he is a muslim. I think the evidence against his being a muslim far outweighs that in favor of his being a muslim. As for his christianity, I don't want to judge his heart, but it seems unlikely that he has any kind of deep rooted christian beliefs. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] <small>(CPAdmin1)</small><sup>[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]</sup> <sup>[[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]]</sup> 14:58, 28 November 2008 (EST)
* Obama is neither. He's an empty suit. He clearly doesn't follow the [[Bible]]. But I don't think he follows the [[Qu'ran]], either. We ought to pray that [[God]] will give him something to follow.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 2 December 2008 (EST)
==Birthplace==
==Birthplace==
His birth certificate says Hawaii. Conservapedia says he was born in Kenya.
'''His birth certificate says Hawaii. Some conservatives say he was born in Kenya.'''
* As the story unfolds, I think it will be shown that Obama was born in Hawaii as it appears now that he was born in Hawaii. It is a moot point now (that I have not investigated deeply) because I don't see judges overturning an election and likely causing riots. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:01, 27 November 2008 (EST)
** Not only moot, but who really cares? Lots of people wanted the [[Governator]] to run, even though technically he was born in Austria. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 17:44, 27 November 2008 (EST)
*I think it is possible that he was born in kenya, but by no means a slam-dunk. I don't remember what the article says right now, but at one point it said "allegedly born in hawaii." It would be more correct to say "allegedly born in Kenya." Allegedly is a term used for an accusation. For example, if someone is being accused of murder, they allegedly murdered someone, they are not allegedly innocent. In the US, we are innocent until proven guilty. The accusation is of fraud on Obama's part in order to gain the presidency that he is (allegedly) not eligible for. He has to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] <small>(CPAdmin1)</small><sup>[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]</sup> <sup>[[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]]</sup> 15:03, 28 November 2008 (EST)
* Something might get settled this week, at the Friday Morning Conference of the [[Supreme Court]]. Only today we hear that the so-called birth certificate appears to be a forgery, and this from someone who knows about imaging.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 2 December 2008 (EST)
==[[Political gaffes]]==
==[[Political gaffes]]==
What is the significance of his [[political gaffes]], such as [[57 states]], [[bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor]], [[my Muslim faith]]?
'''What is the significance of his [[political gaffes]], such as [[57 states]], [[bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor]], [[my Muslim faith]]?'''
* As the Obama 57 states and bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor comment become more widely known, public confidence in the liberal mainstream will further erode (perhaps the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor comment was just a gaffe as he appeared to be reading off of notes. However, the more I know about Obama the less confident I am that he is sufficiently knowledgeable about history to be an excellent president of the United States/commander in chief). I think the "my Muslim faith" comment was likely just a mistake and it will not have much of an effect on the public at large believing that Obama is a Muslim. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:01, 27 November 2008 (EST)
*I don't think that they are any more significant than those made by George Bush. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] <small>(CPAdmin1)</small><sup>[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]</sup> <sup>[[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]]</sup> 15:03, 28 November 2008 (EST)