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::::::In that case, regardless of whether 'the clique' agree's with your assessment Bugler, could one of them come forward and offer a potential compromise? Once that's done, we can always debate the terms etc. but the only way forward is a sign that both sides are willing to talk. --[[User:Bolly|Bolly]] 20:00, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 
::::::In that case, regardless of whether 'the clique' agree's with your assessment Bugler, could one of them come forward and offer a potential compromise? Once that's done, we can always debate the terms etc. but the only way forward is a sign that both sides are willing to talk. --[[User:Bolly|Bolly]] 20:00, 2 December 2008 (EST)
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:::::::When side A wishes to present '''both''' sides of an argument, and side B wishes to censor all disagreement with its own view, the only possible compromise is for side B to accept the side A position. Anthing else is capitulationism, defeatism and appeasement. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 20:03, 2 December 2008 (EST)
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