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→Reversion of Ed Poor's edit: 11% is better than 12%; reference doesn't support you.
:*And America, bless her, has a 12% rate, and what? '''200 million more people than Oz?''' America comes out the winner yet again. :D --<font color="#1E90FF" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:TK|₮K]]</font><sup><font color="DC143C">[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</font></sup> 22:47, 2 December 2008 (EST)
:*And America, bless her, has a 12% rate, and what? '''200 million more people than Oz?''' America comes out the winner yet again. :D --<font color="#1E90FF" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:TK|₮K]]</font><sup><font color="DC143C">[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</font></sup> 22:47, 2 December 2008 (EST)
::: Given that we are comparing ''rates'', not actual numbers, how is 12% better than 11%? And can you give a reference for the 12% please? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:07, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:: [[Gun control]] causes an increase in assaults, muggings, robberies, kidnappings, burglaries, and ... fear. It's no different in Australia. See [http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2007/facts_and_figures_2007.pdf]. When the aging population is taken into account (older people commit fewer crimes than younger people), then the increase in crime from gun control is even larger. Basic logic dictates this result, as defensive uses of guns inevitably outnumber criminal uses by a 100 to 1 ratio or more.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:00, 2 December 2008 (EST)
:: [[Gun control]] causes an increase in assaults, muggings, robberies, kidnappings, burglaries, and ... fear. It's no different in Australia. See [http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2007/facts_and_figures_2007.pdf]. When the aging population is taken into account (older people commit fewer crimes than younger people), then the increase in crime from gun control is even larger. Basic logic dictates this result, as defensive uses of guns inevitably outnumber criminal uses by a 100 to 1 ratio or more.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:00, 2 December 2008 (EST)
::: And yet the reference you provided does not support all your claims:
:::* Assaults: Yes, there was an increase (p. 12 of your reference)
:::* Muggings: I assume that these are included in assaults; the term is not used in your reference.
:::* Robberies: "The rate for robbery peaked in 2001. Following a subsequent decline, the rate has levelled out to 84 per 100,000 in 2006." (p.12)
:::* Kidnappings: "The rate of kidnapping remained between 3 and 4 per 100,000 between 1996 and 2006." (p.12)
:::* Unlawful entry with intent (UEWI) (burglaries): "The rate of UEWI remained relatively stable from 1996 to 2001 and has declined since then." (p.13)
:::* Fear: The reference did not seem to document how fear might have changed.
::: The aging population would affect the figures, but again the reference doesn't mention that, so it is no more than speculation how much affect it would have. I could just as easily and validly speculate that Australia's increasing intake of refugees from countries with more lawlessness should have caused an ''increase''.
::: So basically, only one of your claims was supported by your reference.
::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:07, 3 December 2008 (EST)