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:::::::: Philip, your angry posting is an argument with yourself at this point.  In open-minded discussions, estimates are common and helpful.  Jumping on someone else's estimates while refusing to provide your own is a sign of bullying rather than open mind.  Rant and insist on [[last wordism]] if you like, but I'm not going to waste any more time with your approach.  The logical and political rejection of the fallacy of [[gun control]] is so widely accepted in the United States that gun control is rarely advocated in most states here any more.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:16, 4 December 2008 (EST)
 
:::::::: Philip, your angry posting is an argument with yourself at this point.  In open-minded discussions, estimates are common and helpful.  Jumping on someone else's estimates while refusing to provide your own is a sign of bullying rather than open mind.  Rant and insist on [[last wordism]] if you like, but I'm not going to waste any more time with your approach.  The logical and political rejection of the fallacy of [[gun control]] is so widely accepted in the United States that gun control is rarely advocated in most states here any more.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:16, 4 December 2008 (EST)
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::::::::: You are still avoiding supporting ''your'' arguments.  Even Ed Poor below calls for facts and quoting studies.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:27, 4 December 2008 (EST)
    
Slow down, pardnuh! When Andy said "fool's errand" he was referring to himself. Let's not try to settle this by shouting one another down. Simply quote studies: that's where we get our facts.  
 
Slow down, pardnuh! When Andy said "fool's errand" he was referring to himself. Let's not try to settle this by shouting one another down. Simply quote studies: that's where we get our facts.  
    
My mind is not made up. I am open to being shown that "gun control" can have good effects. I sure don't want to have to go around carrying a gun all the time. I'd rather live where no one wants to kill or rob me. God knows, this would be heaven. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 19:16, 4 December 2008 (EST)
 
My mind is not made up. I am open to being shown that "gun control" can have good effects. I sure don't want to have to go around carrying a gun all the time. I'd rather live where no one wants to kill or rob me. God knows, this would be heaven. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 19:16, 4 December 2008 (EST)
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: Yes, Ed, I know he was referring to himself.  My comment apparently went over your head.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:27, 4 December 2008 (EST)
    
== Gun control debate vs. greater emphasis on changing violent thinking of society ==
 
== Gun control debate vs. greater emphasis on changing violent thinking of society ==
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