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: Evolution is philosophy and story telling in as much as the scientific observation of ones environment can be. The genetic age has demonstrated that genes are passed from both parents down to their child, and that mutations in parental genes - such as genetic disorders - therefore appear in their children. In this, and as with the example of the cane toad and many [http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/310/5756/1878?maxtoshow=3D&HITS= more] we can see evolution to some extent at work.

: Evolution is philosophy and story telling in as much as the scientific observation of ones environment can be. The genetic age has demonstrated that genes are passed from both parents down to their child, and that mutations in parental genes - such as genetic disorders - therefore appear in their children. In this, and as with the example of the cane toad and many [http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/310/5756/1878?maxtoshow=3D&HITS= more] we can see evolution to some extent at work.

: I see your argument against the appearance of a history but I don't necessarily agree. When you speak of ageing features - scars, wrinkles etcetera, this would not be the appearance of history I was referring to. It was the appearance of growth, rather than ageing - that God would have created Adam with fingernails, hair and eyesight, all traits which a human being otherwise has to grow or learn, not ones they are born with. The appearance of history exists insomuch as Adam is a functioning human being.  Regarding the example you give with the television, I would say that the construction of the component parts for the television may be analogous with the construction of genetic material for human beings. Equally I would not like to make an analogy between Gods creation and mankinds creation, as that would imply the assumption of God having ''constructed'' us in a similar way to the way we construct inanimate objects. I believe if God did create us, it would be far more complex than this and could not be described wholly in any human given description. The argument I was putting forward is one which has existed for many years, and I don't think you've fully addressed to absolute nature of it, which is looked at in greater depth in the reference given.

: I see your argument against the appearance of a history but I don't necessarily agree. When you speak of ageing features - scars, wrinkles etcetera, this would not be the appearance of history I was referring to. It was the appearance of growth, rather than ageing - that God would have created Adam with fingernails, hair and eyesight, all traits which a human being otherwise has to grow or learn, not ones they are born with. The appearance of history exists insomuch as Adam is a functioning human being.  Regarding the example you give with the television, I would say that the construction of the component parts for the television may be analogous with the construction of genetic material for human beings. Equally I would not like to make an analogy between Gods creation and mankinds creation, as that would imply the assumption of God having ''constructed'' us in a similar way to the way we construct inanimate objects. I believe if God did create us, it would be far more complex than this and could not be described wholly in any human given description. The argument I was putting forward is one which has existed for many years, and I don't think you've fully addressed to absolute nature of it, which is looked at in greater depth in the reference given.

: I did not want this to turn in to a creation - evolution argument, but that seems to be the only grounds on which I will find any sort of reasoned debate. A theological debate without jumping back to the idea that 'the Bible says this so it must be right' or that 'scientist have no evidence' seems impossible, though it would be beneficial to Christian dogma to engage in one fully, where they have no more than the word of other men to go by themselves.

: I did not want this to turn in to a creation - evolution argument, but that seems to be the only grounds on which I will find any sort of reasoned debate. A theological debate without jumping back to the idea that 'the Bible says this so it must be right' or that 'scientist have no evidence' seems impossible, though it would be beneficial to Christian dogma and any idea of the pursuit of truth to engage in one fully.

: [[User:Entheogenicorder|Entheogenicorder]] 11:23, 5 December 2008 (EST)

: [[User:Entheogenicorder|Entheogenicorder]] 11:23, 5 December 2008 (EST)