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Debate: Are Catholics Christians? (view source)
Revision as of 01:38, December 10, 2008
, 01:38, December 10, 2008++section: ==Turning the table: ''Are protestants really Christians?''==
:Agreed. All Protestants were (still are?) considered heretics by the Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches. But I thought [[Martin Luther]] was originally an ordained Catholic priest. So I always believed that most protestants could easily and legitimately trace a successesion back to Christ, either through Luther or through another originally ordained Catholic priest who broke with the Church during the Protestant formation (not sure if formation is the right word here).--[[User:RickD|RickD]] 12:08, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:Agreed. All Protestants were (still are?) considered heretics by the Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches. But I thought [[Martin Luther]] was originally an ordained Catholic priest. So I always believed that most protestants could easily and legitimately trace a successesion back to Christ, either through Luther or through another originally ordained Catholic priest who broke with the Church during the Protestant formation (not sure if formation is the right word here).--[[User:RickD|RickD]] 12:08, 3 December 2008 (EST)
::The Anglican and Methodist churches certainly claim apostolic succession, and I don't think it's widely disputed. I'm not sure about United Reformed or other protestant branches.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 12:13, 3 December 2008 (EST)
::The Anglican and Methodist churches certainly claim apostolic succession, and I don't think it's widely disputed. I'm not sure about United Reformed or other protestant branches.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 12:13, 3 December 2008 (EST)
==Turning the table around: ''Are protestants really Christians?''==
As a non-Catholic (as far as my acceptance and confirmation of Sacraments go at least), I decided to see what the Catholic Church thinks of Protestants. The Catholic Church's position on this matter is strange—perhaps calling it schizophrenic, bi-polar would be a proper characterization. According to [[Pope John Paul II]], in "other Communities" (e.g., Pentecostal Christian Communities) "certain features of the Christian mystery have at times been more effectively emphasized" ([http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=4247#iUt Quote from Paragraph 14 in Unum Sint (That They May Be One]). On the other hand, [[Cardinal Ratzinger]] stated [http://www.ciai-s.net/Cardinal_Ratzinger.htm "Salvation only in the Catholic Church"]. Sigh. I think the Catholic Church really is corrupt in this area. It is publicly committed to a [[Sacrament]] model of salvation, while it quietly harvests the fruits of "other Communities" (e.g., Roman Catholic Kilian McDonnell's [http://jpt.sagepub.com/content/vol8/issue16/ The Pros and Cons of Dialogue with Roman Catholics]). --[[User:RickD|RickD]] 20:38, 9 December 2008 (EST)
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