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Debate: Are Catholics Christians? (view source)
Revision as of 15:50, December 10, 2008
, 15:50, December 10, 2008Apology and major rewrite of earlier post
:Agreed. All Protestants were (still are?) considered heretics by the Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches. But I thought [[Martin Luther]] was originally an ordained Catholic priest. So I always believed that most protestants could easily and legitimately trace a successesion back to Christ, either through Luther or through another originally ordained Catholic priest who broke with the Church during the Protestant formation (not sure if formation is the right word here).--[[User:RickD|RickD]] 12:08, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:Agreed. All Protestants were (still are?) considered heretics by the Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches. But I thought [[Martin Luther]] was originally an ordained Catholic priest. So I always believed that most protestants could easily and legitimately trace a successesion back to Christ, either through Luther or through another originally ordained Catholic priest who broke with the Church during the Protestant formation (not sure if formation is the right word here).--[[User:RickD|RickD]] 12:08, 3 December 2008 (EST)
::The Anglican and Methodist churches certainly claim apostolic succession, and I don't think it's widely disputed. I'm not sure about United Reformed or other protestant branches.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 12:13, 3 December 2008 (EST)
::The Anglican and Methodist churches certainly claim apostolic succession, and I don't think it's widely disputed. I'm not sure about United Reformed or other protestant branches.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 12:13, 3 December 2008 (EST)
==Turning the tables: What does the Catholic Church think of Pentecostals?==
('''An apology''') It was simply wrong of me to use such colorful terms as "bipolar", "schizophrenic", and "corrupt" in the way I did. It was thoughtless to do so and I should have been far more careful. This is a sensitive debate topic and comments like those could lead to conservapedia being less than friendly place to be--for anyone. Above all, I am sorry to have disrespected [[User:Jpatt]], a fellow Christian.
:As a non-Catholic (as far as my acceptance and confirmation of Sacraments go at least), I decided to find out what the Catholic Church thinks of Pentecostals. To do so, I read Father [http://www.collegevilleinstitute.org/kmdbio Killian McDonnell]’s April 2000 paper “The Pros and Cons of Dialogue With Roman Catholics”, ''Journal of Pentecostal Theology'', Volume 8, Issue 16, pages 90-101. In that paper Father McDonnell states that [[Pope John Paul II]] refers to Pentecostal Christians among others when he wrote that in "other Communities" "certain features of the Christian mystery have at times been more effectively emphasized" ([http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=4247#iUt Quote from Paragraph 14 in Unum Sint (That They May Be One)]). On the other hand, Cardinal Ratzinger (now [[Pope Benedict XVI]]) has stated [http://www.ciai-s.net/Cardinal_Ratzinger.htm "Salvation only in the Catholic Church"]. I am puzzled and dismayed by this statement. At least on its surface, it seems to be a condemnation of those claiming to be saved, who are outside the Catholic Church and its sacramental system. Yet, I have read a paper by Catholic priest who engaged non-Catholic Pentecostals for 20 years, founded an institute on Catholic-Pentecostal dialoge, and wrote a peer-reviewed paper about it. All that along with a statement by Father McDonnell (written in his paper cited above) "For over 20 years the Catholic Church was the only international church to recognize the significance of the Pentecostals and to enter into formal dialogue with you" is positively promising. Then again, "Salvation only in the Catholic Church" seems less than promising. [[User:RickD|RickD]] 10:50, 10 December 2008 (EST)
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