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::::I don't need psychic powers to tell me that a war without an exit plan is poorly planned.  And it's not me that misinterpreted the type of conflict awaiting in Iraq: the government has consistently treated it like a Cold War style conflict, so conceding your point, your own argument bites you.  Seriously, that this war was bungled from the start was never an issue.  No exit plan = poorly planned.  And Powell thought it applied; that's why he quit.-[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 21:37, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

::::I don't need psychic powers to tell me that a war without an exit plan is poorly planned.  And it's not me that misinterpreted the type of conflict awaiting in Iraq: the government has consistently treated it like a Cold War style conflict, so conceding your point, your own argument bites you.  Seriously, that this war was bungled from the start was never an issue.  No exit plan = poorly planned.  And Powell thought it applied; that's why he quit.-[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 21:37, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

:::::We're still waiting for the exit plan from the Korean War, considering it was the policy of contianing soviet expansion that got us in there, and now with the Soviet Union defunct, we're still waiting on the exit plan.

:::::We're still waiting for the exit plan from the Korean War, considering it was the policy of contianing Soviet expansion that got us in there, and now with the Soviet Union defunct, we're still waiting on the exit plan.

:::::Point is, only in a war of limited aims can there be an exit plan.  And not all wars are wars of limited aims. Idealy, in a perfect world that would be so.  But we all know the truth of that matter...

:::::Point is, only in a war of limited aims can there be an exit plan.  And not all wars are wars of limited aims. Idealy, in a perfect world that would be so.  But we all know the truth of that matter...

:::::As to it being a Cold War style conflict, as the saying goes, we always plan to fight the last war.  Cold War military and 20th century military establishment are not designed to fight modern warfare against terrorist cells.  It's a learning curve, and the US is deveolping the special skills needed.  Us oldtimers can only give our experience, but if the US is to survive, the present generation must revamp the idea of what soldiering and war is to deal with this enemy which is intent upon destroying Western Civilization, and will probably will never quit.

:::::As to it being a Cold War style conflict, as the saying goes, we always plan to fight the last war.  Cold War military and 20th century military establishments are not designed to fight modern warfare against terrorist cells.  It's a learning curve, and the US is deveolping the special skills needed.  Us oldtimers can only give our experience, but if the US is to survive, the present generation must revamp the idea of what soldiering and war is to deal with this enemy which is intent upon destroying Western Civilization, and probably will never quit.

:::::The War on Terror, or the War in Iraq, is not just another "frisch, fröhliche krieg", as the Germans say, a brisk, jolly little war; and comapring it to the Cold War is an understatement, too.  Neither is it like both World Wars which were total war between nation-states.  But I'm afraid you have (and probably the sources you get much of your information from) drawn too heavily upon these past experiences to base your analogies on.  It is entirley different kind of war that needs entireley different approaches and solutions.  Complaining about the things you've states solves nothing.  The John Kerry Administration of Al Gore Administration would be facing these identical problems, so you reservations literally have no merit whatsoever other than ill-founded partisanship.

:::::The War on Terror, or the War in Iraq, is not just another "frisch, fröhliche krieg", as the Germans say, a brisk, jolly little war; and comapring it to the Cold War is an understatement, too.  Neither is it like both World Wars which were total war between nation-states.  But I'm afraid you have (and probably the sources you get much of your information from) drawn too heavily upon these past experiences to base your analogies on.  It is an entirley different kind of war that needs entireley different approaches and solutions.  Complaining about the things you've stated solves nothing.  The John Kerry Administration or Al Gore Administration would be facing these identical problems, so your reservations literally have no merit whatsoever other than ill-founded partisanship.

:::::So then, what do we do?  Hide our head in the sand and pray to Allah that the problem will go away?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 00:16, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

:::::So then, what do we do?  Hide our head in the sand and pray to Allah that the problem will go away?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 00:16, 23 March 2007 (EDT)