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::::::::::::: Tim, that is such a liberal argument:  "the experts say that it means ...."  The "experts" also say that [[global warming]] is a crisis and that more government spending is needed.  God gave us all the ability to think for ourselves.  Let's use it.  Denise, I don't know what you're referencing specifically.  If you mean a reference that Joseph of Arimathea was "rich" and yet a follower of Jesus, that would not disprove the translation of "idle rich" or "complacent" or "lazy miser."  Indeed, Joseph had the time to intervene as needed.

::::::::::::: Tim, that is such a liberal argument:  "the experts say that it means ...."  The "experts" also say that [[global warming]] is a crisis and that more government spending is needed.  God gave us all the ability to think for ourselves.  Let's use it.  Denise, I don't know what you're referencing specifically.  If you mean a reference that Joseph of Arimathea was "rich" and yet a follower of Jesus, that would not disprove the translation of "idle rich" or "complacent" or "lazy miser."  Indeed, Joseph had the time to intervene as needed.

::::::::::::::What? It is a liberal argument to say that people who have spent their life studying a language know that language better than someone who does can not even speak it.  That argument sounds good to me.  Are you saying that you have a better understanding of biblical greek than the people who have written those lexicons? --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] <small>(CPAdmin1)</small>^{[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]} 21:54, 26 December 2008 (EST)

::::::::::::::What? It is a liberal argument to say that people who have spent their life studying a language know that language better than someone who does can not even speak it.  That argument sounds good to me.  Are you saying that you have a better understanding of biblical greek than the people who have written those lexicons? --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] <small>(CPAdmin1)</small>^{[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]} 21:54, 26 December 2008 (EST)

::::::::::::: Everyone today is "rich" by the standards of Jesus's time, so presumably the term is more nuanced than that common term.--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 19:26, 26 December 2008 (EST)

::::::::::::: Everyone today is "rich" by the standards of Jesus' time, so presumably the term is more nuanced than that common term.--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 19:26, 26 December 2008 (EST)

:::::::::::::: Since when is consulting people who have dedicated themselves to studying a subject and trusting them over the layman liberal? That is equivalent to me, having no ability in building anything whatsoever, designing and constructing my house myself as opposed to hiring people who make their living doing that because getting their help is liberal. Your definition of liberal is a bit silly Andy, and seems to fall along the lines of "whoever does not wholly agree with what you, Andy Schalfly, believe. If trusting experts makes somebody a liberal, then I'd rather be a liberal than blindly rush into something as major as translating God's Word passed down to mankind without somebody who knows what they are talking about.[[User:ENorman|ENorman]] 22:15, 26 December 2008 (EST)

The interpretation of "miserliness to the point of laziness and being unproductive " for plousios has implications at Ephesians 2:4 "But God, who is rich (plousios) in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us"[http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eph&c=2&v=4&t=KJV#conc/4] .  Applying miserly and lazy to God is near blasphemy.  The original interpretation of simply 'wealthy' is likely the intended and best interpretation.  A benevolent God would never be miserly with His mercy, and He certainly isn't lazy or unproductive. --[[User:JohnnyS|JohnnyS]] 21:38, 26 December 2008 (EST)

The interpretation of "miserliness to the point of laziness and being unproductive" for plousios has implications at Ephesians 2:4 "But God, who is rich (plousios) in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us"[http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eph&c=2&v=4&t=KJV#conc/4] .  Applying miserly and lazy to God is near blasphemy.  The original interpretation of simply 'wealthy' is likely the intended and best interpretation.  A benevolent God would never be miserly with His mercy, and He certainly isn't lazy or unproductive. --[[User:JohnnyS|JohnnyS]] 21:38, 26 December 2008 (EST)

: "plousios" means "abundantly supplied," not "rich".  "Rich in mercy" is an awkward translation at best.  The context must be considered to find the right English word for "abundantly supplied."

: "plousios" means "abundantly supplied," not "rich".  "Rich in mercy" is an awkward translation at best.  The context must be considered to find the right English word for "abundantly supplied."