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More on rabbits, giants, and maligning scientists.
:::::I'm familure with the flood "models". There is absolutely no ''a priori'' reason why they would rule out a rabbit in the Carboniferous. In answer to your question, the Carboniferous strata can be dated absolutely according to radioactive dating, so it would be perfectly possible to find a rabbit in them if the flood occured. With regards to giants, if you believe that all fossilised animals were living at a single time, then that makes fossilisation relatively common, so the absence of any gigantic human being is a significant problem. [[User:Nematocyte|Nematocyte]] 12:27, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
:::::I'm familure with the flood "models". There is absolutely no ''a priori'' reason why they would rule out a rabbit in the Carboniferous. In answer to your question, the Carboniferous strata can be dated absolutely according to radioactive dating, so it would be perfectly possible to find a rabbit in them if the flood occured. With regards to giants, if you believe that all fossilised animals were living at a single time, then that makes fossilisation relatively common, so the absence of any gigantic human being is a significant problem. [[User:Nematocyte|Nematocyte]] 12:27, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
::::::No, I guess that flood geology would not "rule out" rabbits in the Carboniferous, but it would predict that they would not be there as a rule, so their absence hardly proves anything.
::::::It seems to me that radioactive dating is not taken too seriously by mainstream scientists when it suits them, such as when there is conflicting evidence.
::::::I don't follow your point about the fossilised humans. But I've realised that I was on the wrong track there. That there were giants before the flood is based on particular translations of the Bible that were probably mis-translations. In other words, at the very least, we can't say for sure that the Bible even says that there were giants. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 12:44, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
:::::The difference between scientists and creation "scientists" (I give respect where it is due, nowhere else) is that if there are no preserved examples, ''real'' scientists won't take it on faith that the species existed. Example. In Herodotus, the Greek historian notes a bunch of giant & cyclops species. Should we also assume that those were just a small sample size, explaining the lack of evidence, and classify it as scientific fact that these cyclops species existed, or should we take Herodotus for what he was: a guy who liked to invent myths?-[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 12:21, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
:::::The difference between scientists and creation "scientists" (I give respect where it is due, nowhere else) is that if there are no preserved examples, ''real'' scientists won't take it on faith that the species existed. Example. In Herodotus, the Greek historian notes a bunch of giant & cyclops species. Should we also assume that those were just a small sample size, explaining the lack of evidence, and classify it as scientific fact that these cyclops species existed, or should we take Herodotus for what he was: a guy who liked to invent myths?-[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 12:21, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
::::::So people who have earned their PhDs, worked in secular institutions as scientists, in some cases as evolutionary scientists before they became creationists, are not "real" scientists, simply because they have a view that you don't agree with? That's hardly fair, is it?
::::::And I suppose that you would deny that lions once existed in Palestine because there's no fossils of them, but only written records?
::::::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 12:44, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
: The link follows, Philip. Remember to keep an open mind. Behold, for [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG#Creationism| the truth] shall set you free.-[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 11:22, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
: The link follows, Philip. Remember to keep an open mind. Behold, for [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG#Creationism| the truth] shall set you free.-[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 11:22, 23 March 2007 (EDT)