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::::Here ya go. Have fun... [http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/bacteria.asp]--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 13:35, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
 
::::Here ya go. Have fun... [http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/bacteria.asp]--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 13:35, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
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Thanks for the citation.  It is VERY interesting, and well written.  It does, however, have some flaws.  Now, this would be better flushed out by a bench researcher, as my bench days are over, but let me just leave  a few points. First, the article actually gives no evidence that evolution/NS did not play a part here.  Most of their specific complaints are invalid.  For example:
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Point 1) They point to the usual argument that it "suggests design".  This is an opinion.
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Point 2) This is a simple dismissal of evolution without evidence.
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Point 3) They say chances are very low of the mutated plamid naturally occuring, and give a number (unclear from where) of 1 x10 to the 12th.  Well, of couse chances are very low. That is why bacteria are so darned good for observing natural selection.  With their short generation time, and logarithmic growth phase, even unlikely events can occur with reasonable frequency.  If you have, say, 10 (a very small number) of bacteria exposed to a new environment, over the course of a few DAYS, there will be BILLIONS of daughter cells exposed to the new environment, giving plenty  of opportunity for a new mutation to occur and be amplified.
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[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 14:14, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
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