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: Logic, the [[Bible]], preventing genocide, and political considerations are all strongly against [[gun control]].  Political motivation is a primary reason there is still some support for it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:40, 4 January 2009 (EST)

: Logic, the [[Bible]], preventing genocide, and political considerations are all strongly against [[gun control]].  Political motivation is a primary reason there is still some support for it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:40, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:::::Andy, the problem with merely affirming that the Bible and logic are against gun control is that the opposition can merely affirm the opposite.  Taking this approach on talk pages results in an approach like this:  Person #1: Does so! Person #2: Does not! Person #1: Does so! Person #2: Does not! Person #1: Does so! Person #2: Does not!  etc. etc.  I think an evidential approach is much more preferable.  PJR and I had a dispute as far as the atheism page.  We were able to solve our differences via Skype because I took a evidentialist approach.  I don't think calling PJR a liberal when he is likely a conservative or moderate is helpful.  I cannot say whether PJR is a conservative or moderate at this time but I can say that you don't find too many liberals who are young earth creationist, opposed to abortion and the homosexual lifestyle, and have a high view of Scripture.  PJR certainly fits the bill in these matters as far as not being a liberal.  Now if you can demonstrate that PJR takes a liberal view on a whole host of matters then I certainly would be willing to change my view that he is either a conservative or moderate.  I don't think that Conservapedia needs to be quick draw when it comes to labeling people liberals given the existence of a large amount of moderates.  I also think that people who claim they are staunch conservatives often show their true colors when the chips are down.  At the very least, I do think that Bush should have bargained harder with the car manufacturers management and workers as far as them taking very significant pay cuts.  I do think the leaders lead by example and the car manufacturers management should have taken the approach of Lee Iaccoca who at least had the decency to take a pay cut when asking for government assistance. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 14:05, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:::::Andy, the problem with merely affirming that the Bible and logic are against gun control is that the opposition can merely affirm the opposite.  Taking this approach on talk pages results in an approach like this:  Person #1: Does so! Person #2: Does not! Person #1: Does so! Person #2: Does not! Person #1: Does so! Person #2: Does not!  etc. etc.  I think an evidential approach is much more preferable.  PJR and I had a dispute as far as the atheism page.  We were able to solve our differences via Skype because I took a evidentialist approach.  I don't think calling PJR a liberal when he is likely a conservative or moderate is helpful.  I cannot say whether PJR is a conservative or moderate at this time but I can say that you don't find too many liberals who are young earth creationist, opposed to abortion and the homosexual lifestyle, and have a high view of Scripture.  PJR certainly fits the bill in these matters as far as not being a liberal.  Now if you can demonstrate that PJR takes a liberal view on a whole host of matters then I certainly would be willing to change my view that he is either a conservative or moderate.  I don't think that Conservapedia needs to be quick draw when it comes to labeling people liberals given the existence of a large amount of moderates.  I also think that people who claim they are staunch conservatives often show their true colors when the chips are down.  At the very least, I do think that Bush should have bargained harder with the car manufacturers management and workers as far as them taking very significant pay cuts.  I do think the leaders lead by example and the car manufacturers management should have taken the approach of Lee Iaccoca who at least had the decency to take a pay cut when asking for government assistance. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 14:05, 4 January 2009 (EST)

== I am against liberals attempts at very strict control but I see this debate going on and on because we live in a multi-variable world.  Perhaps the solution is to...... ==

== I am against liberals attempts at very strict control but I see this debate going on and on because we live in a multi-variable world.  Perhaps the solution is to...... ==

Here is an excellent essay arguing that socialism is often advanced through excessive regulation and not merely through the state owning more and more property: http://gunowners.org/op0330.htm  The essay argues that despite Thatcher selling off state owned enterprises the UK became more socialistic through excessive regulation and that gun control was a part of this mindset.  [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 14:34, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Here is an excellent essay arguing that socialism is often advanced through excessive regulation and not merely through the state owning more and more property: http://gunowners.org/op0330.htm  The essay argues that despite Thatcher selling off state owned enterprises the UK became more socialistic through excessive regulation and that gun control was a part of this mindset.  [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 14:34, 4 January 2009 (EST)