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:::::: Conservative, I don't know PJR's full position on abortion or the [[homosexual agenda]].  I do know that the political positions he has taken, such as in support of [[gun control]], are [[liberal]].  I also know that a substantial percentage of [[YEC]]s are [[liberal]] and did vote for [[Obama]].  If one is drawn to [[YEC]] for [[materialism]] reasons, then that person will tend to be materialistic on other matters, such as [[economics]] and [[gun control]] and other types of government control.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:58, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:::::: Conservative, I don't know PJR's full position on abortion or the [[homosexual agenda]].  I do know that the political positions he has taken, such as in support of [[gun control]], are [[liberal]].  I also know that a substantial percentage of [[YEC]]s are [[liberal]] and did vote for [[Obama]].  If one is drawn to [[YEC]] for [[materialism]] reasons, then that person will tend to be materialistic on other matters, such as [[economics]] and [[gun control]] and other types of government control.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:58, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:::Andy, see comments in the section below called: "Gun Control and socialism vis a vis regulation" [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:22, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:::Andy, see comments in the section below called: "Gun Control and socialism vis a vis regulation" [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:22, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:::::::Andy, I reread your post.  YEC is a polar opposite from the philosophy of materialism which posits there is no supernatural entities.  On the other hand, can a person who is YEC be materialistic?  For example, be greedy?  The answer is of course yes.  I don't think you know enough about PJR to claim he is materialistic and logic demands that the burden of proof is always upon the claimant.  Furthermore, unless PJR is going to inherit a lot of money from a rich uncle if he remains a YEC or some other implausible scenario, I do think you made a compelling case that PJR or many other people for that matter become YECs for materialistic reasons.  Again, logic demands that the burden of proof is always upon the claimant.  [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:02, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:::::::Andy, I reread your post.  YEC is a polar opposite from the philosophy of materialism which posits there is no supernatural entities.  On the other hand, can a person who is YEC be materialistic?  For example, be greedy?  The answer is of course yes.  I don't think you know enough about PJR to claim he is materialistic and logic demands that the burden of proof is always upon the claimant.  Furthermore, unless PJR is going to inherit a lot of money from a rich uncle if he remains a YEC or some other implausible scenario, I do not think you made a compelling case that PJR (or many other people for that matter) become YECs for materialistic reasons.  Again, logic demands that the burden of proof is always upon the claimant.  [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:02, 4 January 2009 (EST)

== I am against liberals attempts at very strict control but I see this debate going on and on because we live in a multi-variable world.  Perhaps the solution is to...... ==

== I am against liberals attempts at very strict control but I see this debate going on and on because we live in a multi-variable world.  Perhaps the solution is to...... ==