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Line 32: − :The Lord already watches everything I do, Palmd001, I have nothing to answer for that I will not be held accountable for on the Day of Judgment. Look to your own house, Palmd001, if you think your secularist medical degree will have any pull with The Lord, our God. TouchedbyaBear, thank you for your support. It is important that true believers stick together, and together, we will laugh at the sinners in their lake of fire. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 16:03, 23 March 2007 (EDT) − ::Laughing at sinners in their lake of fire seems like a pretty horrible view for a Christian to take. I thought Jesus taught to love everyone, and if you loved everyone, you should feel sorry for those burning in hell not jubilation. Then again, what do I know? [[User:ColinR|ColinR]]<sup>[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</sup> 16:11, 23 March 2007 (EDT) − − ::Colin, no less a church father as [[Tertulian]] explains that the the saved will delight in the torment of the damned. Besides, if you were a good Christian, you'd know that the damned no longer have any chance of salvation, having thrown away the precious gift of God's sacrifice for them. − − "However there are other spectacles--that last eternal day of judgment, ignored by nations, derided by them, when the accumulation of the years and all the many things which they produced will be burned in a single fire. What a broad spectacle then appears! How I will be lost in admiration! How I will laugh! How I will rejoice! I will be full of exaltation then as I see so many great kings who by public report were accepted into heaven groaning in the deepest darkness with Jove himself and alongside those very men who testified on their behalf! They will include governors of provinces who persecuted the name of our Lord burning in flames more fierce that those with which they proudly raged against the Christians! And those wise philosophers who earlier convinced their disciples that God was irrelevant and who claimed either that there is no such thing as a soul or that our souls would not return to their original bodies will be ashamed as they burn in the conflagration with those very disciples. And the poets will be there, shaking with fear, not in front of the tribunal of Rhadamanthus or Minos, but of the Christ they did not anticipate! Then it will be easier to hear the tragic actors, because their voices will be more resonant in their own calamity (better voices since they will be screaming in greater terror). The actors will then be easier to recognize, for the fire will make them much more agile. Then the charioteer will be on show, all red in a wheel of fire, and the athletes will be visible, thrown, not in the gymnasium, but in the fire, unless I have no wish to look at their bodies then, so that I can more readily cast an insatiable gaze on those who raged against our Lord. `This is the man,' I will say, `the son of a workman or a prostitute, the destroyer of the sabbath, the Samaritan possessed by the devil. He is the man whom you brought from Judas, the man who was beaten with a reed and with fists, reviled with spit, who was given gall and vinegar to drink. He is the man whom his disciples took away in secret, so that it could be said that he was resurrected or whom the gardener took away, so that the crowd of visitors would not harm his lettuces.' What praetor or consul or quaestor or priest will from his own generosity grant you the sight of such things or the exultation in them? And yet we already have these things to a certain extent through faith, represented to us by the imagining spirit. Besides, what sorts of things has the eye not seen or the ear not heard and what sorts of things have not arisen in the human heart (1. Cor. 2, 9)? I believe these are more pleasing than the race track and the circus and both enclosures" [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 16:19, 23 March 2007 (EDT) − ::Like I said, what do I know? I guess all the times I was told about Christianity being a religion of peace and love, they really meant reveling in the suffering of others. And as for the damned, I thought that Puritan idea died out long ago, otherwise what good is God's forgiveness? Unless you are referring to the damned as those who blasphemed, the only unforgivable sin in the Bible. Regardless, delighting in suffering of others still seems so contrary to everything Jesus ever said. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]]<sup>[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</sup> 16:28, 23 March 2007 (EDT) Line 60:
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::::Right. Got the smiting about right then?--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 16:26, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
::::Right. Got the smiting about right then?--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 16:26, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
== I am watching you ==
== On PalmD001's Man-Crush on Me ==
You can decide whether that is good or bad. Your submissions are interesting enough that I don't want to miss anything, espicially the subtext, but maybe I'm crazy. Whom gods would destroy (oops, God)...[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 15:55, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
You can decide whether that is good or bad. Your submissions are interesting enough that I don't want to miss anything, espicially the subtext, but maybe I'm crazy. Whom gods would destroy (oops, God)...[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 15:55, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
Yes, he is always consistent. Im just not sure whether it is Emersonian consistency, or something perhaps a little more complex. [[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 16:01, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
Yes, he is always consistent. Im just not sure whether it is Emersonian consistency, or something perhaps a little more complex. [[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 16:01, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
Excellent...fiat lux, and keep it coming.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 16:06, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
Excellent...fiat lux, and keep it coming.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 16:06, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
[[User:touchedbyabear|touchedbyabear]], such ad hominem attacks have no place in discussion. Anyone with a little Spanish knowledge would know that hermaño is Spanish for brother regardless. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]]<sup>[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</sup> 16:30, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
[[User:touchedbyabear|touchedbyabear]], such ad hominem attacks have no place in discussion. Anyone with a little Spanish knowledge would know that hermaño is Spanish for brother regardless. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]]<sup>[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</sup> 16:30, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
::You're right [[User:ColinR|ColinR]], I'm sorry. I actually don't know any Spanish, I really only know American and a few phrases here and there. [[User:touchedbyabear|touchedbyabear]]
::You're right [[User:ColinR|ColinR]], I'm sorry. I actually don't know any Spanish, I really only know American and a few phrases here and there.
:::No problem, and if your comment was made in jest, which I'm assuming it probably was, just add something at the end to clarify it as such, such as a smiley. And I apologize for my Spanish comment, in retrospect, it was too harsh and unnecessary. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]]<sup>[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</sup> 16:37, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
:::No problem, and if your comment was made in jest, which I'm assuming it probably was, just add something at the end to clarify it as such, such as a smiley. And I apologize for my Spanish comment, in retrospect, it was too harsh and unnecessary. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]]<sup>[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</sup> 16:37, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
== On the Punishment of the Damned ==
The Lord already watches everything I do, Palmd001, I have nothing to answer for that I will not be held accountable for on the Day of Judgment. Look to your own house, Palmd001, if you think your secularist medical degree will have any pull with The Lord, our God. TouchedbyaBear, thank you for your support. It is important that true believers stick together, and together, we will laugh at the sinners in their lake of fire. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 16:03, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
:Laughing at sinners in their lake of fire seems like a pretty horrible view for a Christian to take. I thought Jesus taught to love everyone, and if you loved everyone, you should feel sorry for those burning in hell not jubilation. Then again, what do I know? [[User:ColinR|ColinR]]<sup>[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</sup> 16:11, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
::Colin, no less a church father as [[Tertulian]] explains that the the saved will delight in the torment of the damned. Besides, if you were a good Christian, you'd know that the damned no longer have any chance of salvation, having thrown away the precious gift of God's sacrifice for them.
:::"However there are other spectacles--that last eternal day of judgment, ignored by nations, derided by them, when the accumulation of the years and all the many things which they produced will be burned in a single fire. What a broad spectacle then appears! How I will be lost in admiration! How I will laugh! How I will rejoice! I will be full of exaltation then as I see so many great kings who by public report were accepted into heaven groaning in the deepest darkness with Jove himself and alongside those very men who testified on their behalf! They will include governors of provinces who persecuted the name of our Lord burning in flames more fierce that those with which they proudly raged against the Christians! And those wise philosophers who earlier convinced their disciples that God was irrelevant and who claimed either that there is no such thing as a soul or that our souls would not return to their original bodies will be ashamed as they burn in the conflagration with those very disciples. And the poets will be there, shaking with fear, not in front of the tribunal of Rhadamanthus or Minos, but of the Christ they did not anticipate! Then it will be easier to hear the tragic actors, because their voices will be more resonant in their own calamity (better voices since they will be screaming in greater terror). The actors will then be easier to recognize, for the fire will make them much more agile. Then the charioteer will be on show, all red in a wheel of fire, and the athletes will be visible, thrown, not in the gymnasium, but in the fire, unless I have no wish to look at their bodies then, so that I can more readily cast an insatiable gaze on those who raged against our Lord. `This is the man,' I will say, `the son of a workman or a prostitute, the destroyer of the sabbath, the Samaritan possessed by the devil. He is the man whom you brought from Judas, the man who was beaten with a reed and with fists, reviled with spit, who was given gall and vinegar to drink. He is the man whom his disciples took away in secret, so that it could be said that he was resurrected or whom the gardener took away, so that the crowd of visitors would not harm his lettuces.' What praetor or consul or quaestor or priest will from his own generosity grant you the sight of such things or the exultation in them? And yet we already have these things to a certain extent through faith, represented to us by the imagining spirit. Besides, what sorts of things has the eye not seen or the ear not heard and what sorts of things have not arisen in the human heart (1. Cor. 2, 9)? I believe these are more pleasing than the race track and the circus and both enclosures" [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 16:19, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
::Like I said, what do I know? I guess all the times I was told about Christianity being a religion of peace and love, they really meant reveling in the suffering of others. And as for the damned, I thought that Puritan idea died out long ago, otherwise what good is God's forgiveness? Unless you are referring to the damned as those who blasphemed, the only unforgivable sin in the Bible. Regardless, delighting in suffering of others still seems so contrary to everything Jesus ever said. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]]<sup>[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]</sup> 16:28, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
:::ColinR, you are absolutely right that Jesus said to be sympathetic and understanding towards ''sinners,'' but [[Tertulian]] is discussing the attitude of the believers towards the ''damned,'' so activities of this sort will only occur after the Last Judgment, when the Lord sorts the quick and the dead, and separates everyone for eternal reward or eternal punishment. You are correct, though, until then, we must be supportive (though firm) of our wayward brethren so they may join in our enjoyable condemnation of the damned in the last days. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 16:39, 23 March 2007 (EDT)