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(outdent) YEC and materialism (the philosophical position, not greed) are mutually exclusive.  The first begins with the explicit belief in a supernatural creator, the second begins with the explicit disbelief in anything supernatural.  You argument holds no water at all.  Please abandon the ad hominem attacks and address the serious attempts to improve the article.  I am reminded of a Christian speaker I once heard who said "We are given the full armour of God, and too many of us spend most of our time polishing our armour or attacking one another."  Instead of dismissing PJR's observations because you don't think he's conservative enough, address them specifically.[[User:LowKey|LowKey]] 22:11, 8 January 2009 (EST)
 
(outdent) YEC and materialism (the philosophical position, not greed) are mutually exclusive.  The first begins with the explicit belief in a supernatural creator, the second begins with the explicit disbelief in anything supernatural.  You argument holds no water at all.  Please abandon the ad hominem attacks and address the serious attempts to improve the article.  I am reminded of a Christian speaker I once heard who said "We are given the full armour of God, and too many of us spend most of our time polishing our armour or attacking one another."  Instead of dismissing PJR's observations because you don't think he's conservative enough, address them specifically.[[User:LowKey|LowKey]] 22:11, 8 January 2009 (EST)
 
: Well put.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:15, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 
: Well put.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:15, 14 January 2009 (EST)
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:: Just look at polling data and you'll see that millions of YECs are liberal and voted for Obama.  You have free will to deny it, but it's as indisputable as 2+2=4.
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:: The claim that YEC and materialism are "mutually exclusive" is likewise absurd.  Divine intervention at the beginning (or otherwise) does not detract from materialism afterward.  The polling data show that many YECs are very materialistic in their output, as are even more non-YECs.
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I'm only familiar with "materialism" re. philosophy.  What are materialist positions on gun control and wealth redistribution? [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 11:35, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 
I'm only familiar with "materialism" re. philosophy.  What are materialist positions on gun control and wealth redistribution? [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 11:35, 14 January 2009 (EST)
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: Materialism is the overemphasis on matter rather than principles.  "Guns cause crime" is a materialistic falsehood.  "Money causes injustice" is another.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:51, 14 January 2009 (EST)
    
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