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:: The claim that YEC and materialism are "mutually exclusive" is likewise absurd.  Divine intervention at the beginning (or otherwise) does not detract from materialism afterward.  The polling data show that many YECs are very materialistic in their outlook, as are even more non-YECs. --[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:51, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:: The claim that YEC and materialism are "mutually exclusive" is likewise absurd.  Divine intervention at the beginning (or otherwise) does not detract from materialism afterward.  The polling data show that many YECs are very materialistic in their outlook, as are even more non-YECs. --[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:51, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:: I'm only familiar with "materialism" re. philosophy.  What are materialist positions on gun control and wealth redistribution? [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 11:35, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::: I'm only familiar with "materialism" re. philosophy.  What are materialist positions on gun control and wealth redistribution? [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 11:35, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::: Materialism is the overemphasis on matter rather than principles.  "Guns cause crime" is a materialistic falsehood.  "Money causes injustice" is another.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:51, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:::: Materialism is the overemphasis on matter rather than principles.  "Guns cause crime" is a materialistic falsehood.  "Money causes injustice" is another.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:51, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::: RodWeathers, could you please point me to the polls that asked voters if they were YECs or not?  Unless you do, I will presume that you are making the same sorts of assumptions that Andy did.

::::: RodWeathers, could you please point me to the polls that asked voters if they were YECs or not?  Unless you do, I will presume that you are making the same sorts of assumptions that Andy did.

::: Thanks, though, for implicitly acknowledging that YEC and materialistic viewpoints are contradictory by inventing a contrived explanation to claim that they are not.  Materialistic views do ''not'' allow for the supernatural at any time.  Yes, there are some who believe that God started things off but then left them on their own (''almost'' a "materialism afterward" position), but these people are Deists, not YECs.

::::: Thanks, though, for implicitly acknowledging that YEC and materialistic viewpoints are contradictory by inventing a contrived explanation to claim that they are not.  Materialistic views do ''not'' allow for the supernatural at any time.  Yes, there are some who believe that God started things off but then left them on their own (''almost'' a "materialism afterward" position), but these people are Deists, not YECs.

::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 18:25, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 18:25, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:::: That comment about polls is Andy's, not mine, but was missing a sig., which i've added. [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 22:53, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:::::: That comment about polls is Andy's, not mine, but was missing a sig., which i've added. [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 22:53, 14 January 2009 (EST)

== I am against liberals attempts at very strict control but I see this debate going on and on because we live in a multi-variable world.  Perhaps the solution is to...... ==

== I am against liberals attempts at very strict control but I see this debate going on and on because we live in a multi-variable world.  Perhaps the solution is to...... ==