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Line 33: − − == Terrorism == − − The article on Islam has many references to extremism and links to terrorism. Why no such section in this article? There are many examples of people committing violence in the name of Christianity, just as there are in the name Islam. Pro-Christian bias? Something to be sorted? I am suggesting this on here because I feel sure that if I even mention terrorism without consultation on this holiest and remarkably uncritical of pages then I would be shouted down instantly... − − :"many examples of people committing violence in the name of Christianity"??? Oh please. I haven't heard of a single suicide Christian bomber, or [[mass young murderers]]. And if you can find one or two aberrations, they hardly stack up against non-Christian examples. I know some think the truth is relative, but here we stick to the absolute truth. Godspeed and Merry Christmas.--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 18:00, 25 December 2008 (EST) − − ::Maybe it would behoove you, then, Andrew, to learn that Muslim extremism is also uncommon to Muslims. In fact, the vast majority of Muslims actually would rather see world peace than rampant terrorism, just as the vast majority of Christians want world peace, not war.--[[User:JZim|सफ़ेद-बाघ]] 18:03, 25 December 2008 (EST) − − :::Surely the Crusades (and the many massacres that occured during it) was one big act of violence by Christianity (as they were the invaders). At first it was a normal war between two countries, until the Byzantine Emperor asked for help and the Pope responded with a crusade. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 18:38, 25 December 2008 (EST) − − I have not the slightest implulse to exonerate the Crusades, misguided as I believe it to have been, but something in me wishes to called it Christendom or something similar rather than Christianity. Conservapedia, I think, tends to see things in the same way - rather tending to reserve the term Christianity to either the sources in the Bible or the "follow through" through the ages, that has been faithful to its Founder. But Muhammad and the sources in the Koran, really did conquer through the sword as well as persuasion, and the Jihad,the Struggle, was quite physical and violent in the sources as it was in the time of Muhammad himself. There is something quite violent in the sources themselves which do not appear in the New Tewtament and in Jesus. − − I live on a street in Jewish North Jerusalem, and what I say now does not detract or diminish from the the sufferings of the Arab population due to current political realities. Two houses down, Danny was blown up by a suicide bomber buying something at the kiosk, Next to him, Mordichai lies paralyzed with an inoperable bullet in the Spine having been shot riding in the territories. Across from him, is a another young man, recuperated, thank God, from a bullet in the back from a terrorist. When 9/11 occurred, I hung out the American Flag. Passerbyers looked up to our patio then hung their heads, in silent identification and appreciation. Living here let's you recognize these things. Arabs walk freely in Jewish malls and towns. Jews do not dare to walk in an Arab town or village. When the bombing began. These Arabs are not inferior human beings or somehow not as good as Israelis or any other person. It is the sources that hold them in the thrall which strikes Jews and, yes, other Arabs, with fear and apprehension. Is that woman with the veil and the large bulging black garment, besides leading the child by the side, also concealing a bomb? It has happened before, and sometimes now, and can happen again. Every Arab Muslim here, and I will not speak of elsewhere, knows that in the name of Jihad, and of Allah, Paradise awaits those who struggle in the name of Jihad and Allah, who take the infidel with him. I do not say that desperation does not play a part, but the sources support. Not so the New Testament[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 09:14, 26 December 2008 (EST). − − :'They did it, so we can do it too' is not an excuse; 'turn the other cheek' etc. Christianity also expanded by the sword; the Teutonic Knights fought (as complete aggressors) in Eastern Europe too to bring Christianity to the pagans in the areas around Poland and current day Ukraine. Also, I forgot to mention this earlier, but what about the Lollards? Or the Cathars? Or, for that matter, the early Protestants? Practically every religion except Shinto and Buddhism have a history of inflicting violence upon other religions and themselves. I do not argue with the danger and utter immorality of Islamic extremeism; I just reject the notion that violence can only exist in religions other than Christianity. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 12:03, 26 December 2008 (EST) − − Yes, it is true, violence can exist in Christianity as well as other relgions. In doing so, it goes against what it's founder lived and died for, what He was about, and what our sources teach. This is why I am so hesitant in saying uniquivocally that what Christendom has practiced is Christianity. Perhaps its quibbling about words[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 14:28, 26 December 2008 (EST) Line 249:
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:: Mormons are Christian, if you like it or not. Catholics could also claim that you should all adhere to what the pope says and stop interpreting the scripture as you like. But it doesn't belong here either, because it divisive. The current entry clearly states that different denominations have different views. If you want to put forward the views of your particular denomination, create a new entry on it, put your stuff there, and add a link it to the list of denominations on the Christianity page. If you want to criticize Mormons, create an entry on Mormons, describe them neutrlly, and add a section on criticism on Mormon teachings. But let this page be as inclusive as possible. -- [[User:Order|Order]] 15 March 2007, 12:40 (AEST)
:: Mormons are Christian, if you like it or not. Catholics could also claim that you should all adhere to what the pope says and stop interpreting the scripture as you like. But it doesn't belong here either, because it divisive. The current entry clearly states that different denominations have different views. If you want to put forward the views of your particular denomination, create a new entry on it, put your stuff there, and add a link it to the list of denominations on the Christianity page. If you want to criticize Mormons, create an entry on Mormons, describe them neutrlly, and add a section on criticism on Mormon teachings. But let this page be as inclusive as possible. -- [[User:Order|Order]] 15 March 2007, 12:40 (AEST)
== "the only way to God." ==
== "the only way to God." ==
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== Terrorism ==
The article on Islam has many references to extremism and links to terrorism. Why no such section in this article? There are many examples of people committing violence in the name of Christianity, just as there are in the name Islam. Pro-Christian bias? Something to be sorted? I am suggesting this on here because I feel sure that if I even mention terrorism without consultation on this holiest and remarkably uncritical of pages then I would be shouted down instantly... {{unsigned|Anpeplow}}
:"many examples of people committing violence in the name of Christianity"??? Oh please. I haven't heard of a single suicide Christian bomber, or [[mass young murderers]]. And if you can find one or two aberrations, they hardly stack up against non-Christian examples. I know some think the truth is relative, but here we stick to the absolute truth. Godspeed and Merry Christmas.--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 18:00, 25 December 2008 (EST)
::Maybe it would behoove you, then, Andrew, to learn that Muslim extremism is also uncommon to Muslims. In fact, the vast majority of Muslims actually would rather see world peace than rampant terrorism, just as the vast majority of Christians want world peace, not war.--[[User:JZim|सफ़ेद-बाघ]] 18:03, 25 December 2008 (EST)
:::Surely the Crusades (and the many massacres that occured during it) was one big act of violence by Christianity (as they were the invaders). At first it was a normal war between two countries, until the Byzantine Emperor asked for help and the Pope responded with a crusade. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 18:38, 25 December 2008 (EST)
I have not the slightest implulse to exonerate the Crusades, misguided as I believe it to have been, but something in me wishes to called it Christendom or something similar rather than Christianity. Conservapedia, I think, tends to see things in the same way - rather tending to reserve the term Christianity to either the sources in the Bible or the "follow through" through the ages, that has been faithful to its Founder. But Muhammad and the sources in the Koran, really did conquer through the sword as well as persuasion, and the Jihad,the Struggle, was quite physical and violent in the sources as it was in the time of Muhammad himself. There is something quite violent in the sources themselves which do not appear in the New Tewtament and in Jesus.
I live on a street in Jewish North Jerusalem, and what I say now does not detract or diminish from the the sufferings of the Arab population due to current political realities. Two houses down, Danny was blown up by a suicide bomber buying something at the kiosk, Next to him, Mordichai lies paralyzed with an inoperable bullet in the Spine having been shot riding in the territories. Across from him, is a another young man, recuperated, thank God, from a bullet in the back from a terrorist. When 9/11 occurred, I hung out the American Flag. Passerbyers looked up to our patio then hung their heads, in silent identification and appreciation. Living here let's you recognize these things. Arabs walk freely in Jewish malls and towns. Jews do not dare to walk in an Arab town or village. When the bombing began. These Arabs are not inferior human beings or somehow not as good as Israelis or any other person. It is the sources that hold them in the thrall which strikes Jews and, yes, other Arabs, with fear and apprehension. Is that woman with the veil and the large bulging black garment, besides leading the child by the side, also concealing a bomb? It has happened before, and sometimes now, and can happen again. Every Arab Muslim here, and I will not speak of elsewhere, knows that in the name of Jihad, and of Allah, Paradise awaits those who struggle in the name of Jihad and Allah, who take the infidel with him. I do not say that desperation does not play a part, but the sources support. Not so the New Testament[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 09:14, 26 December 2008 (EST).
:'They did it, so we can do it too' is not an excuse; 'turn the other cheek' etc. Christianity also expanded by the sword; the Teutonic Knights fought (as complete aggressors) in Eastern Europe too to bring Christianity to the pagans in the areas around Poland and current day Ukraine. Also, I forgot to mention this earlier, but what about the Lollards? Or the Cathars? Or, for that matter, the early Protestants? Practically every religion except Shinto and Buddhism have a history of inflicting violence upon other religions and themselves. I do not argue with the danger and utter immorality of Islamic extremeism; I just reject the notion that violence can only exist in religions other than Christianity. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 12:03, 26 December 2008 (EST)
Yes, it is true, violence can exist in Christianity as well as other relgions. In doing so, it goes against what it's founder lived and died for, what He was about, and what our sources teach. This is why I am so hesitant in saying uniquivocally that what Christendom has practiced is Christianity. Perhaps its quibbling about words[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 14:28, 26 December 2008 (EST)
== "Christ" ==
== "Christ" ==