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::: I don't know what you mean about auxiliary verbs - I can't think of any uses that don't have a German equivalent. OTOH, French uses declension to express future tense and subjunctive mood, amongst others, so seems to have less use for auxiliary verbs than we do. Are there examples of specific auxiliary verb usage traceable to the Norman influence? [[User:MississippiMud|MisMud]] 23:43, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
::: I don't know what you mean about auxiliary verbs - I can't think of any uses that don't have a German equivalent. OTOH, French uses declension to express future tense and subjunctive mood, amongst others, so seems to have less use for auxiliary verbs than we do. Are there examples of specific auxiliary verb usage traceable to the Norman influence? [[User:MississippiMud|MisMud]] 23:43, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
:::I'm no professional, just a student of linguistics and a lover of languages, but I move that now that this Boethuis character is gone we change this article a bit. Anyone to second? His ramblings about the history of the English language were well-worded, but it's obvious to me that as a linguist-in-training, he had very little actual language experience. Alrighty! First off, there is no evidence that our pronoun system came from Danish. North Germanic languages Danish/Swedish/Norwegian/Icelandic/Faroese evolved from Proto-Indo-European (PIE) by way of proto-Germanic in one way: all 1st person pronouns ("I") start with ''j-'' (jeg, jeg, jag, ég respectively) and East/West Germanic languages English/German/Dutch evolved in another: our 1st person pronouns have ''i-''forms (I, ich, ik respectively). I don't know how I would argue that our pronouns descended from Danish. ''Jeg/du/han/hun/vi/I/de'' vs. ''I/you/he/she/we/you/they''. The relationship is obvious, but to say one descended from another is far-fetched.
:::Second is auxiliary verbs--NOT "from French". An even more closely related language, German, has just as rich a system of auxiliary verbs as French. Like I said, I'm no professional (and I evidently need to read up on this more), but I would venture this educated guess: aux. verbs in English came from those in Germanic which came from those in PIE and aux. verbs in French came from those in (vulgar?) Latin which came from those in PIE. I don't think I have any more about this.
:::Lastly (I think) is our lexicon. By "Saxon-era" I'll assume Boethuis is referring to Old English. It's true. Most English words come to us from French, Latin, Germanic and then Greek. However, most or almost all of the words we use in everyday situations come from Old English. This is because they're generally shorter (come/go vs. arrive/leave). Words we use in our various areas of expertise are probably going to have come from Latin and Greek. I'm not arguing this point, just expanding the point.
:::The English language is as much of a melting pot as the English-speaking world itself!--[[User:JParker|JParker]] 08:50, 18 February 2009 (EST)
As most people in the world use British English spelling (Canada - double standard; Great Britain and Ireland, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia), why does this encyclopedia not go with the majority?
As most people in the world use British English spelling (Canada - double standard; Great Britain and Ireland, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia), why does this encyclopedia not go with the majority?