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*Cicero died in 43BC
 
*Cicero died in 43BC
 
*(And one that didn't make it from my word document to wiki earlier was Ovid (died AD17) who wrote: ''Enhance and intensify one's vision of that synthesis of truth and beauty which is the highest and deepest reality.'' [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 18:44, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 
*(And one that didn't make it from my word document to wiki earlier was Ovid (died AD17) who wrote: ''Enhance and intensify one's vision of that synthesis of truth and beauty which is the highest and deepest reality.'' [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 18:44, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::The point is that the ancient Romans were known for conquering the known Western world and producing the civilization which [[Arnold Toynbee]] said gave birth to modern Christendom. They made notable achievements in engineering, and produced some famous writers on history and civic virtue. Andy's not saying they were dullards. But when you think about intellectual contributions, the [[Pythagorean theorem]] comes to mind (see [[right triangle]]). Then there's Aristotle's [[formal logic]], which 25 centuries later has not been improved upon in the slightest. "[[Euclid]]" is synonymous with [[geometry]]. I'd say the weight of the balance is largely tipped toward ancient Greece in terms of intellectual achievements.
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::I have no desire to put down Rome. Instead of debating here (or ''merely'' debating here), let's add all the points we've brought up in this most fruitful discussion to the relevant articles. Remember, we're all here to learn as much as to teach. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 19:01, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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