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Two, referring to a child as a "consequence" that the mother has to take responsibility for is a horrible attitude to a new life. A baby is a gift from God, not a punishment. That's exactly the kind of punitive attitude that drives the "pro-choice" movement.  
 
Two, referring to a child as a "consequence" that the mother has to take responsibility for is a horrible attitude to a new life. A baby is a gift from God, not a punishment. That's exactly the kind of punitive attitude that drives the "pro-choice" movement.  
 
Three, it's not fair to imply that only women try to escape "consequences". [[User:Pepperlynn|Pepperlynn]] 23:12, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
 
Three, it's not fair to imply that only women try to escape "consequences". [[User:Pepperlynn|Pepperlynn]] 23:12, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
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:I can agree that pleasure is not the only way, I will change accordingly. Point two, you want to rename consequence? How do you say the result of something which you did not wish for? I was giving the liberal attitude, not the Christian attitude when describing a baby. I know he/she is a gift, Barack Obama and the liberals don't. It is in fact 'her' consequence. The male doesn't have to do anything but conceive. I am definitely saying the male is responsible for his actions before and after, but the burden is on the female.--[[User:Jpatt|jpatt]] 23:29, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
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