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→Global Warming: Long rejoinder
*Outside of your tiny island nation, RobertWDP, there are more than a tiny minority of scientists who disagree that man has anything to do with "Global Warming". That you seemingly don't know about this could be deliberate obfuscation, or just might speak to the bullying tactics of those who have a hidden agenda, punishing the West for success, which really makes their deceit one of socialist economics. There are hundreds of major league scientists who have not subscribed to the "caused by man" idiocy. I invite you to stop adding Euro-Socialist group think to this encyclopedia. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 15:42, 2 March 2009 (EST)
*Outside of your tiny island nation, RobertWDP, there are more than a tiny minority of scientists who disagree that man has anything to do with "Global Warming". That you seemingly don't know about this could be deliberate obfuscation, or just might speak to the bullying tactics of those who have a hidden agenda, punishing the West for success, which really makes their deceit one of socialist economics. There are hundreds of major league scientists who have not subscribed to the "caused by man" idiocy. I invite you to stop adding Euro-Socialist group think to this encyclopedia. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 15:42, 2 March 2009 (EST)
Robert, you touched most of the bases in your remarks. I will just rebut 2 or 3 points.
#... disagree with the concept of global warming
#:The concept of global warming is actually two distinct things:
#:*the observation that average global surface air temperature has gone up (since around 1850)
#:*the theory that this is largely caused by human activity
#No one on this page disagrees with the first "concept". We've seen the data and the graphs. Temperatures are up a full degree (Fahrenheit), maybe a degree and a half (0.8 C). When you say "disagree with ... global warming" you are confusing the temperature increase with the cause.
#... The issue needn't be a political one as has been framed here.
#:We are not "framing" global warming as political. We distinguish clearly between the scientific issue and the politics. Scientists know that temperature has gone up and down many times before. The cycle is around 1,500 years long and is apparently related to [[solar activity]]. (Not so much the intensity of [[sunlight]] but the effect of the [[solar wind]] on [[cosmic rays]] reaching the earth (see [[cloud formation]]). Politicians and pressure groups have been making misleading statements about the science, and that is what we are countering here. This requires a rebuttal of the false scientific statements.
#... no reason why the article on the subject should be distracted from the actual science
#:Our [[global warming]] article aims to discus the science. If some mention is made of false statements made by those with a political motive, then perhaps you can help us achieve better separation between science and politics by moving these non-scientific arguments from the [[global warming]] article into [[Global warming controversy]]. '''Would you like to help?'''
#... the actual science (which almost universally accepts global warming as fact)
#:Here you are confusing [[science]] with [[scientists]], and once again confusing "warming" with the theory '''about''' warming. We cover the science, as well as statements and surveys indicating how many scientists support the theory or question it. Clearly, less than a majority accept the theory.
#:But when you say "accept global warming" you must distinguish between the [[fact]] that temperature is up from the [[anthropogenic global warming theory|theory]] that human activity caused this rise. You do want to make this distinction, don't you? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 09:39, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
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