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a guidebook for tyrants or a warnng to good citizens?
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:In other words, did Machiavelli actually '''recommend''' that rulers be "Machiavellian", as an ideal of government? I don't think so, any more than [[Pollyanna]] (in the book or even the Disney movie) practiced "unreasonable or blind optimism." [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pollyanna] And [[Uncle Tom]]'s attitude was never "to curry favor with whites" but was manifestly an expression of his Christian principles. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
 
:In other words, did Machiavelli actually '''recommend''' that rulers be "Machiavellian", as an ideal of government? I don't think so, any more than [[Pollyanna]] (in the book or even the Disney movie) practiced "unreasonable or blind optimism." [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pollyanna] And [[Uncle Tom]]'s attitude was never "to curry favor with whites" but was manifestly an expression of his Christian principles. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
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::Ed raises a very good point. Was M telling tyrants how to do it? or was he warning people "if you don't have a republic you will get a tyrant and here's how he will mistreat you." Scholars have been debating this for years and no one is sure. I incline to the "warning" side because in fact no tyrant needs his advice--they do it naturally, but good citizens do need to be warned. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:11, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
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