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A question for scholars and unbiased writers
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"Sorry about the Germans in the cities--they should have moved to the villages, as they were ordered to do by the USAAF and the RAF".  Sorry, I read that and I laughed so hard I cried.  I can just see it now.  ''"Excuse me Mr. Nazi Security Officer who is, has and is part of group that systematically removes families and people from homes, sends them to death camps, kills people in the street, shoots people for the most trivial of offences, including not being patriotic enough, and when not involved in killing also happens to be involved in some of the most brutal, despicable and unacceptable torture and medical experiments the world has ever seen which has not just been practiced on adults but also children as young as babies, our enemies have told us that they are going to bomb us so you don't mind if I don't come into work for say, oh the next three or four years."''.  There are few people who are truly defiant and willing to ignore the orders of the man who has a gun pointed to their head.  There are even fewer who are willing to be that defiant when the man with the gun has it pointed at the head of their children.  And that assumes that any significant part of the civilian population even heard the warnings.  I doubt the Nazi Government passed the message on and anybody caught listening to the radio frequencies used by the British or other allies was automatically assumed to be a spy, taken away and questioned with a red-hot poker until they either a) broke and admitted they were a spy to stop the torture regardless of whether they were a spy or not or b) broke and admitted they were a spy to stop the torture regardless of whether they were a spy or not.  A few years of that kind of government policy is going to make sure very few people on Germany would be that keen to listen to anything that the Allies said.[[User:Ieuan|Ieuan]] 02:25 7/Nov/08 GMT
 
"Sorry about the Germans in the cities--they should have moved to the villages, as they were ordered to do by the USAAF and the RAF".  Sorry, I read that and I laughed so hard I cried.  I can just see it now.  ''"Excuse me Mr. Nazi Security Officer who is, has and is part of group that systematically removes families and people from homes, sends them to death camps, kills people in the street, shoots people for the most trivial of offences, including not being patriotic enough, and when not involved in killing also happens to be involved in some of the most brutal, despicable and unacceptable torture and medical experiments the world has ever seen which has not just been practiced on adults but also children as young as babies, our enemies have told us that they are going to bomb us so you don't mind if I don't come into work for say, oh the next three or four years."''.  There are few people who are truly defiant and willing to ignore the orders of the man who has a gun pointed to their head.  There are even fewer who are willing to be that defiant when the man with the gun has it pointed at the head of their children.  And that assumes that any significant part of the civilian population even heard the warnings.  I doubt the Nazi Government passed the message on and anybody caught listening to the radio frequencies used by the British or other allies was automatically assumed to be a spy, taken away and questioned with a red-hot poker until they either a) broke and admitted they were a spy to stop the torture regardless of whether they were a spy or not or b) broke and admitted they were a spy to stop the torture regardless of whether they were a spy or not.  A few years of that kind of government policy is going to make sure very few people on Germany would be that keen to listen to anything that the Allies said.[[User:Ieuan|Ieuan]] 02:25 7/Nov/08 GMT
 
::The allied bombers dropped billions of leaflets to tell people to get out. Both the German and Japanese (and British) governments tried to get civilians to leave the cities. People did not want to go. In a total war the homefront factories and railroads are decisive weapons (all the posters on both sides said war worker = soldier) so the postmodern theme that creates an artificial distinction between civilians and soldiers is based on the sensibilities of the 1960s (when H Bombs were a very different threat) rather than the 1940s. The NSDAP did a rather good job caring was bombing victims.  On another point: the article title is unsatisfactory--it's a term rarely used and will not help students studying for tests. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 22:05, 6 November 2008 (EST)
 
::The allied bombers dropped billions of leaflets to tell people to get out. Both the German and Japanese (and British) governments tried to get civilians to leave the cities. People did not want to go. In a total war the homefront factories and railroads are decisive weapons (all the posters on both sides said war worker = soldier) so the postmodern theme that creates an artificial distinction between civilians and soldiers is based on the sensibilities of the 1960s (when H Bombs were a very different threat) rather than the 1940s. The NSDAP did a rather good job caring was bombing victims.  On another point: the article title is unsatisfactory--it's a term rarely used and will not help students studying for tests. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 22:05, 6 November 2008 (EST)
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==Compare and contrast==
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We need to write about the similarities and differences between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, before we entertain any more views about how "the Nazis were not socialist". But do not use trick arguments based on shifting meanings of ''[[socialism]]''. In particular, we must not pretend that only [[Marxism-Leninism]] is really socialism. We might also need a [[Capitalism and socialism]] article.
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In [[capitalism]], investors choose how to invest their money; factory owners decide what to produce and how much; sellers and buyers agree on price. In [[socialism]], the government makes these decisions; evasion of price controls is an economic crime (a "[[black market]]" transaction).
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Although neither system has made people uniformly wealthy, we might compare the [[standard of living]] in countries which have tried out the two systems. For example, health care in America vs. Cuba; forget the official propaganda: what are the real conditions in Cuban hospitals for regular citizens? And how long did people in the USSR have to wait in line every day to get ordinary things like bread or shoes?
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Anyway, my question is whether Nazi Germany ever put economic controls in place similar to those of Communist countries, such as wage and price controls and factory quotas. And if so, did it have the same effect on the economy as [[state ownership]] did in the USSR? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 07:04, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
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