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Talk:World History Lecture Nine (view source)
Revision as of 22:31, April 6, 2009
, 22:31, April 6, 2009→Non-German 'Great' Composers: reply
::: If won't admit things that are obviously true, then there's little point in trying to hold a logical discussion with you. First open your mind, please, for your sake.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:02, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::: If won't admit things that are obviously true, then there's little point in trying to hold a logical discussion with you. First open your mind, please, for your sake.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:02, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::::When talking about languages, I qualified my remarks in the way I did because I am simply not aware of any one language which is superior to ''every'' other and in ''every'' respect. It's not that I "won't admit"
::::When talking about religions, I wrote in terms of harmful beliefs, because it's easier to agree about that. It goes without saying that some religions are more truthful than others, but I didn't want to get drawn into an off-topic discussion about religion.
::::Now, can we please return to the topic of Beethoven? JDWPianist and I raised some concerns about the wording in the lecture. Specifically:
::::* I don't think it is possible to say definitively which composer is the greatest. "One of the greatest", certainly, without a doubt.
::::* Beethoven grew up in an area which is now part of Germany, but was not at the time. His family was from Holland. He spent most of his life in Vienna. To say that "Beethoven was German" is therefore not really accurate.
::::* Many of the greatest composers in music history were from the area now known as Germany. But it is untrue to claim that most great composers were German, unless you ignore Vivaldi, Mozart, Haydn, Schubert, Chopin, Verdi, Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky, Debussy, Mahler, and dozens more. --[[User:Eoinc|Eoinc]] 18:31, 6 April 2009 (EDT)