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Talk:World History Lecture Nine (view source)
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, 03:12, April 7, 2009Beethoven ''was'' German
:::::: Weren't we talking about composers?? [[User:JimP|JimP]] 23:09, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::: Weren't we talking about composers?? [[User:JimP|JimP]] 23:09, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Beethoven was German: Though his father's family originate from the Flamish Mecheln, his Grandfather has lived and worked in Bonn, the residence of the elector of [[Cologne]], and his father was born and raised there. So, he's at least a second generation German on his father's site, while the family of his mother came from the electorate of [[Trier]].
:::::::To deny that [[Trier]] and [[Cologne]] were - and are - German, is absurd: Both were integral parts of the Holy Roman Empire (but - at the time of Beethoven's birth - not of [[ Prussia]], which was only partly in the Holy Roman Empire then).
:::::::There seems to be a mix-up with the provenience of Mozart: He was born in the sovereign Archbishopric of [[Salzburg]], at the time of his birth an area independent of [[Austria]], but incorporated into it in 1803. This lead to some claims that Mozart wasn't really Austrian, while there was little doubt about the nationality of Beethoven.
:::::::But what does ''most of the greatest composers were German'' really mean? Most of the greatest two? Most of the greatest three? Here, A. Schlafly could be right by including Bach and Beethoven. But if you try to compile a list of ten, I doubt it (my list of ten includes - at this moment, there is always some flux - Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Shostakovich, Verdi, Brahms, Mahler, Schubert, Schumann, Handel: at most five of those have been German)
:::::::[[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 23:12, 6 April 2009 (EDT)