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Talk:World History Lecture Nine (view source)
Revision as of 19:16, April 7, 2009
, 19:16, April 7, 2009→Non-German 'Great' Composers
:::: I didn't call you "a child." I pointed out how unproductive it is to debate this issue with someone who won't even admit that some languages or religions are superior to others. If the person won't admit that, then they'll never admit, no matter how compelling the evidence is, that most great composers were of one nationality. Honest intellectual dialog and progress grind to a halt.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
:::: I didn't call you "a child." I pointed out how unproductive it is to debate this issue with someone who won't even admit that some languages or religions are superior to others. If the person won't admit that, then they'll never admit, no matter how compelling the evidence is, that most great composers were of one nationality. Honest intellectual dialog and progress grind to a halt.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
*I couldn't give a "top ten" list of old composers (as opposed to Gershwin, Rogers & Hart, Zappa), but I can narrow my personal preferences to 20:
#. Ludwig Van Beethoven
#. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
#. Johann Sebastian Bach
#. Richard Wagner
#. Joseph Haydn
#. Johannes Brahms
#. Franz Schubert (highly complex music, and loved Beethoven's music!)
#. Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky
#. George Frideric Handel
#. Igor Stravinsky
#. Robert Schumann
#. Frederic Chopin
#. Felix Mendelssohn
#. Claude Debussy
#. Franz Liszt
#. Antonin Dvorak
#. Giuseppe Verdi
#. Gustav Mahler
#. Hector Berlioz
#. Antonio Vivaldi
Some time ago I saved this comment about some of those composers, because it was apt:
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Mozart wrote music in his head and then merely had to write them down. Beethoven composed while deaf. Bach consolidated one of the most important schools of harmony and on top of that, was a masterful organist and organ inspector. Chopin was the master of emotion and chromatics. Liszt was a showman that kept people riveted. Tchaikovsky composed amazingly for the ballet in a way few have rivaled and he had a brilliance for catchy melodies. Haydn could churn out music on command (over 100 symphonies!) Brahms was king of melodrama (not that its a bad thing in music). Schoenberg created a whole new school of tonality...or lack thereof.
</blockquote>
And what of Shostakovich? Mention should also be given of Henry Purcell, an Englishman, whose music is sometimes great, but always good listening. And as the grandson of an Austrian (he came from the same small village as Arnold Schwarzenegger, albeit decades before), while they are part of the Germanic people, they take great exception to being called German! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 15:16, 7 April 2009 (EDT)