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:In view of Hitler's pretense at purity and the importance of his mission for building a Greater Germany, it is extraordinary that he should be so careless about his associates. He has never restricted them in any way except at the time of the Blood Purge in 1934 when his excuse was that he had to purge the party of these undesirable elements. At all other times, '''''he has been liberal to a fault'''''. Lochner reports:  

:In view of Hitler's pretense at purity and the importance of his mission for building a Greater Germany, it is extraordinary that he should be so careless about his associates. He has never restricted them in any way except at the time of the Blood Purge in 1934 when his excuse was that he had to purge the party of these undesirable elements. At all other times, '''''he has been liberal to a fault'''''. Lochner reports:  

::"The only criterion for membership in the Party was that the applicant be 'Unconditionally obedient and faithfully devoted to me'. When someone asked if that applied to thieves and criminals, '''''Hitler said''''', "'''Their private lives don't concern me.'''" [http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/oss-profile-03-07.html]-- [[User:RobS|RobS]] 21:38, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

"The only criterion for membership in the Party was that the applicant be 'Unconditionally obedient and faithfully devoted to me'. When someone asked if that applied to thieves and criminals, '''''Hitler said''''', "'''Their private lives don't concern me.'''" [http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/oss-profile-03-07.html]-- [[User:RobS|RobS]] 21:38, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

:: Just like the entire top of the Republican Party is liberal. [[User:Order|Order]] 25 March, 16:30 (AEST)  

Just like the entire top of the Republican Party is liberal. [[User:Order|Order]] 25 March, 16:30 (AEST)  

*The fact that Hitler was a drug abuser, and obviously was mentally impaired, had nothing to do with it?  ROFL! --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 21:58, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

*The fact that Hitler was a drug abuser, and obviously was mentally impaired, had nothing to do with it?  ROFL! --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 21:58, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

:hmmm...let's see...abused drugs...rejected Christ...was liberal to a fault.....what people did in thier private lives was nobodies business....and this guys conservative, huh?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:21, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

:hmmm...let's see...abused drugs...rejected Christ...was liberal to a fault.....what people did in thier private lives was nobodies business....and this guys conservative, huh?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:21, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

::You said a few time that you eject the notion of a one political spectrum with only conservatives and liberals. However, you always argue if liberal vs. conservative is the only thing that matters. Why is it so hard to understand that Hitler wasn't liberal, and that he wasn't conservative. He was fascistoid with his own ecclectic mix of opinions. [[User:Order | Order]] 26 March 8:50 (AEST)  

:You said a few time that you eject the notion of a one political spectrum with only conservatives and liberals. However, you always argue if liberal vs. conservative is the only thing that matters. Why is it so hard to understand that Hitler wasn't liberal, and that he wasn't conservative. He was fascistoid with his own ecclectic mix of opinions. [[User:Order | Order]] 26 March 8:50 (AEST)  

*Who?  Hitler?  Who in the hell said that? ROFL! --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 22:37, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

*Who?  Hitler?  Who in the hell said that? ROFL! --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 22:37, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

::You know it was Hillary that started the "what people do in thier private lives is nobodies business" appology for Bill; now we know who it can be cited to.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:50, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

You know it was Hillary that started the "what people do in thier private lives is nobodies business" appology for Bill; now we know who it can be cited to.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:50, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

:::Death by association? Liberals would love to have this be a guiding principle of Conservapedia, because it always backfires on the one who uses it. Or didn't you try to introduce Nazi myths, such as the myth Hilter was the last man standing in the Beer Hall Putsch, into this article. --[[User:Order|Order]] 25 March, 16:30 (AEST)

Death by association? Liberals would love to have this be a guiding principle of Conservapedia, because it always backfires on the one who uses it. Or didn't you try to introduce Nazi myths, such as the myth Hilter was the last man standing in the Beer Hall Putsch, into this article. --[[User:Order|Order]] 25 March, 16:30 (AEST)

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know that I explained anything.  Often times there are no less than four tellings of an event--The Nazi version, the Soviet version, the Hollywood version, and the post-1945 German version.  And one thing is absolutley certain, the Nazi version is no more definitive than the Hollywood, Soviet, or post-1945 German version.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 21:54, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

*By all means bring back Lynchings.  Great PR move. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 17:29, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

*By all means bring back Lynchings.  Great PR move. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 17:29, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

:Huh?  What is that supposed to mean?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 18:13, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

:Huh?  What is that supposed to mean?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 18:13, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

*You're a bright guy, figure it out.  ;-)  Sometimes one needs to turn loose of fixations, and give time a chance to do its job of enlightenment.  Your style is getting more like that of some other Sysop, which is a big change for you..... --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 18:31, 25 March 2007 (EDT)\

*You're a bright guy, figure it out.  ;-)  Sometimes one needs to turn loose of fixations, and give time a chance to do its job of enlightenment.  Your style is getting more like that of some other Sysop, which is a big change for you..... --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 18:31, 25 March 2007 (EDT)\

::Not a good response, and the reference to "lynching" I take with offence.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 20:40, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

::Not a good response, and the reference to "lynching" I take with offence.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 20:40, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

*Nevertheless, it was my response.  I did not mean personal offense, and am sorry you took some.  The insistence of being right, and everyone else wrong is not scholarly.  The conclusions you have taken, and the leaps of logic you espouse, are not warranted by the little information out there, which is why your conclusion has been rejected by 90% of all historians and scholars who have spent lifetimes specializing in the study of Hitler and the Nazi's.  I am not seeking confrontation with someone whose work I have come to admire.  You can always email me, since you have it, rather than continue the Wiki dialog way, which I am not schooled in, nor comfortable with. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 22:05, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

*Nevertheless, it was my response.  I did not mean personal offense, and am sorry you took some.  The insistence of being right, and everyone else wrong is not scholarly.  The conclusions you have taken, and the leaps of logic you espouse, are not warranted by the little information out there, which is why your conclusion has been rejected by 90% of all historians and scholars who have spent lifetimes specializing in the study of Hitler and the Nazi's.  I am not seeking confrontation with someone whose work I have come to admire.  You can always email me, since you have it, rather than continue the Wiki dialog way, which I am not schooled in, nor comfortable with. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 22:05, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

::You've said it twice, and offered no evidence for the conclusion. "conclusion has been rejected by 90% of all historians and scholars who have spent lifetimes specializing in the study of Hitler and the Nazi's."  Count me among that number.  In the later 80s I was focused on Soviet history.  Since 1991 Islamic & Chinese subjects.  Since the wiki era, however, I was asked to reaxamine Comintern activities & the Venona project, which has brough me back into those decades, the 1930s & 40s.  And like riding a bicycle, it's no problem fro me to pick up Ernst Roehm once again 1919 or 1921.  I know the character well.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:13, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

::You've said it twice, and offered no evidence for the conclusion. "conclusion has been rejected by 90% of all historians and scholars who have spent lifetimes specializing in the study of Hitler and the Nazi's."  Count me among that number.  In the later 80s I was focused on Soviet history.  Since 1991 Islamic & Chinese subjects.  Since the wiki era, however, I was asked to reaxamine Comintern activities & the Venona project, which has brough me back into those decades, the 1930s & 40s.  And like riding a bicycle, it's no problem fro me to pick up Ernst Roehm once again 1919 or 1921.  I know the character well.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:13, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

*I do not subscribe to the theory that Gay activists use to promote their cause. I do not subscribe to the theory that the Nazi's were advancing some homosexual plan to take vengeance. There is a most unscholarly trend these days to try and deconstruct history to knock the pillars out from things Liberals and Evolutionists use to support their modern day babble, and that is certainly one thing that alarms me.  The motivations of each individual player in that sick tableau we commonly refer to as "the Nazi's" are many and varied.  I still continue to believe that much of this material doesn't belong on this page.  It more rightfully should be on the Nazi entry.  --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 22:36, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

*I do not subscribe to the theory that Gay activists use to promote their cause. I do not subscribe to the theory that the Nazi's were advancing some homosexual plan to take vengeance. There is a most unscholarly trend these days to try and deconstruct history to knock the pillars out from things Liberals and Evolutionists use to support their modern day babble, and that is certainly one thing that alarms me.  The motivations of each individual player in that sick tableau we commonly refer to as "the Nazi's" are many and varied.  I still continue to believe that much of this material doesn't belong on this page.  It more rightfully should be on the Nazi entry.  --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] ^{[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]} 22:36, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

:Let me be clear--I agree with that. I'm just saying let's put the material in ''where appropriate'' in all Nazi-related articles, deal with the real gay victims of Nazi's justly and fairly,and keep out the blatant distortions by propagandists serving a contemporary political agenda.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

:Let me be clear--I agree with that. I'm just saying let's put the material in ''where appropriate'' in all Nazi-related articles, deal with the real gay victims of Nazi's justly and fairly,and keep out the blatant distortions by propagandists serving a contemporary political agenda.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)