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::::Ah! "Journal of Creation" is just the old TJ renamed. Which, if memory serves, published a fair bit on Humphreys' execrable attempts at cosmology. Now ''there's'' a reliable source...though to be fair, they also published some sound refutations of the same. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 10:48, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
::::Ah! "Journal of Creation" is just the old TJ renamed. Which, if memory serves, published a fair bit on Humphreys' execrable attempts at cosmology. Now ''there's'' a reliable source...though to be fair, they also published some sound refutations of the same. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 10:48, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
:::::Ah! So your answer is to mock it! Great argument! No argument! [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:03, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
:::::Ah! So your answer is to mock it! Great argument! No argument! [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:03, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
::::::I thought the implied argument was fairly obvious. TJ published utter nonsense about basic physics, ergo not a reliable source. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 11:06, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
:'''How do we define "scientist" in a neutral way?''' It's not a degree, it's not a licensed profession... I think we have to fall back on self-description. If a creationist calls himself a scientist, he is... whether anyone likes it or not. But there might be a case for ''qualifying'' the description in the ''least obtrusive possible'' way. For example, if a person is described as a "creation scientist," the phrase should be footnoted with a reference to a biographical profile of the person in which they self-describe or are described as a "scientist."
:'''How do we define "scientist" in a neutral way?''' It's not a degree, it's not a licensed profession... I think we have to fall back on self-description. If a creationist calls himself a scientist, he is... whether anyone likes it or not. But there might be a case for ''qualifying'' the description in the ''least obtrusive possible'' way. For example, if a person is described as a "creation scientist," the phrase should be footnoted with a reference to a biographical profile of the person in which they self-describe or are described as a "scientist."