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Line 283: − ::''"You cite a statement of political opinion"''. No I don't, I cite statment on the Faith addressed to an audience that is largely internal to the Church. ''Evangelium vitae'' is not at all like a statement about a ''particular'' war: it is about generalities not specifics. Neither is it about a particular action, such as the future of the Middle East, it is about the framework within which actions are to be considered. It matters not whether the actual words where chosen by Pope John Paul II: they were the words that he communicated to his Bishops, monks, nuns, priests, lay faithfull and others of "Good Will". That is to say they are still ''his'' words ''qua'' Pontiff, even though they were probably chosen by the current Pontiff ''qua'' Pontiff's speach writer. It may not address 2000 years of the opposite view, it remains the current view of the Church. In this light, as the current view of the Church, it is not the beginning of a discussion but rather an outcome of the current state of a discussion that (as you say) is "ongoing". Whether or not the Church has allowed itself to be influenced by pressure from "liberals" is moot: if the Church says "X" because of liberals then it says "X", if it says "X" of its own volition then it says "X". The current teaching of the Church, whether Conservative or Liberal, consistent with history or diverting from it, good or bad, is that there are nearly no circumstances in which the death penalty is acceptable.[[User:PNeville|PNeville]] 10:39, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
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: You cite a statement of political opinion, akin to citing statements by a Pope against a particular war or a proposal by a Pope for the future of the Middle East. Such statements are the result of ongoing discussion about issues and can reflect pressure exerted on the Church by liberals. In this case, the statement was probably not written by the Pope himself, it does not address 2000 years of the opposite view of the Church, and it marks the beginning of discussion rather than the end of it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 09:17, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
: You cite a statement of political opinion, akin to citing statements by a Pope against a particular war or a proposal by a Pope for the future of the Middle East. Such statements are the result of ongoing discussion about issues and can reflect pressure exerted on the Church by liberals. In this case, the statement was probably not written by the Pope himself, it does not address 2000 years of the opposite view of the Church, and it marks the beginning of discussion rather than the end of it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 09:17, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
==Lincoln a Conservative?==
==Lincoln a Conservative?==