| | ::::::: Somewhat late, I know, but in response to those arguing against Mr Schlafly's point about liberals putting pressure on the Pope, I should like to point out that the Vatican is situated in Europe, a significantly more liberal place than America, and thus it makes sense that the Pope feels some pressure to give the 'correct' message. [[User:GeorginaD|GeorginaD]] 13:56, 27 May 2009 (EDT) | | ::::::: Somewhat late, I know, but in response to those arguing against Mr Schlafly's point about liberals putting pressure on the Pope, I should like to point out that the Vatican is situated in Europe, a significantly more liberal place than America, and thus it makes sense that the Pope feels some pressure to give the 'correct' message. [[User:GeorginaD|GeorginaD]] 13:56, 27 May 2009 (EDT) |
| | + | :::::::: Thanks for your excellent point, Georgina. In this case, the denial of the death penalty lacks explanation of how that denial fits into nearly 2000 years of Catholic Church doctrine, as well as logical analysis. At no time was the death penalty justified merely by preventing future harm by the same person. |
| | + | :::::::: CPalmer, I welcome your willingness to be open-minded. Can you help us understand why the Catholic Church (and nearly everyone else) supported the death penalty throughout history for heinous crimes? I'm wondering myself, but I'm confident it has to do with eradicating evil. The Church even supported exhuming a heretic to burn his remains, and that certainly was not motivated by a desire to prevent future injury by him!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:40, 27 May 2009 (EDT) |
| | *His Holiness is in fact both a political and spiritual leader. He is subject to the very same pressures, from the left and right, as all ''political leaders''. It is on matters of Faith and/or Morals that Holy Mother Church says his teachings, coming as they do from the True and Inspired Word of God, where Catholics consider him to be infalliable. GeorginaD, you are correct in what you say, but it almost incomprensible, on both sides of the Atlantic, what "conservative" means in the EU and vice-versa. Thankfully Pontiff's have most always ignored termporal clamorings and taken a rather long view, historically speaking. Of course their are notable exceptions, such as John-Paul's intimate knowledge of Communism, and its barbarism, causing him to weigh in on this most recent battle between good and evil. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 15:28, 27 May 2009 (EDT) | | *His Holiness is in fact both a political and spiritual leader. He is subject to the very same pressures, from the left and right, as all ''political leaders''. It is on matters of Faith and/or Morals that Holy Mother Church says his teachings, coming as they do from the True and Inspired Word of God, where Catholics consider him to be infalliable. GeorginaD, you are correct in what you say, but it almost incomprensible, on both sides of the Atlantic, what "conservative" means in the EU and vice-versa. Thankfully Pontiff's have most always ignored termporal clamorings and taken a rather long view, historically speaking. Of course their are notable exceptions, such as John-Paul's intimate knowledge of Communism, and its barbarism, causing him to weigh in on this most recent battle between good and evil. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 15:28, 27 May 2009 (EDT) |