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==YES==
 
Even atheists admit that Jesus was a historical figure, recorded by figures of the Roman world such as Tacitus and Pliny, not to mention the four Gospels. [[User:JohnFraiser|JohnFraiser]] 18:15, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
 
Even atheists admit that Jesus was a historical figure, recorded by figures of the Roman world such as Tacitus and Pliny, not to mention the four Gospels. [[User:JohnFraiser|JohnFraiser]] 18:15, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
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::A few points: 1) Tacitus was never refereed by any Christian in his time, Nero. Ever. At all. 2) Pontius Pilate did not have the power to kill Jesus at the time that Tacitus wrote about. 3) Tacitus also says that Christians were guilty to setting fire to Rome. Also, the "Christian" in his work, is a misunderstanding. It did not say Christians it said ''Chrestians''. There's an e, not i. You are mistaken. Jesus was a fable. And no, atheists don't acknowledge him. True Atheists, that is. [[User:Mannerismxk909|Mannerismxk909]] 00:07, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
    
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:So we have to take the ''bias'' that He's a fake?  I don't think so.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:16, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
 
:So we have to take the ''bias'' that He's a fake?  I don't think so.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:16, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
 
::See my point under YES. Jesus is mentioned in numerous sources before the First Council of Nicaea, 325 AD, such as Tacitus, writing in 116 AD. He specifically mentioned that Jesus (referred to by Tacitus as 'Christus') was executed in Judea during the reign of Pontius Pilate. [[User:JohnFraiser|JohnFraiser]] 18:22, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
 
::See my point under YES. Jesus is mentioned in numerous sources before the First Council of Nicaea, 325 AD, such as Tacitus, writing in 116 AD. He specifically mentioned that Jesus (referred to by Tacitus as 'Christus') was executed in Judea during the reign of Pontius Pilate. [[User:JohnFraiser|JohnFraiser]] 18:22, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
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:::Karajou, accepting Jesus was real is biased. The other is not. [[User:Mannerismxk909|Mannerismxk909]] 00:07, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

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