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I don't think either Billy or Tim really understand certain aspects of the crusades. First of all, Billy said there was no such thing as a just war, but really there are just reasons to fight. Not all the crusades were just but to say that no war is just is false. Billy quoted "Love thy neighbor as thy self." That's right but sometimes you need to choose the lesser of sins. Which is worse, to let the defenseless be slaughtered or to defend the defenseless? Either way you're violating the commandment. Which is why there is reconciliation. ''Double Edge''
 
I don't think either Billy or Tim really understand certain aspects of the crusades. First of all, Billy said there was no such thing as a just war, but really there are just reasons to fight. Not all the crusades were just but to say that no war is just is false. Billy quoted "Love thy neighbor as thy self." That's right but sometimes you need to choose the lesser of sins. Which is worse, to let the defenseless be slaughtered or to defend the defenseless? Either way you're violating the commandment. Which is why there is reconciliation. ''Double Edge''
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Reply:  There haven't been any credible sources that state that Christian pilgrims were killed or harassed in the Holy Land.  If there was some killing, it was greatly exagerated by Pope Urban III at the Council of Clermont
    
Comment: Of course it is sinful to fight a war for the wrong reasons, but I don't believe that every war is by definition sinful.  As noted above, war is sometimes the lesser of two evils.  But remember that it only takes one party to start a fight.  When someone is determined to start a fight, we cannot avoid it- we can only decide, through our actions, whether it will be a war or a massacre.  We know that evil will result whichever course we take, but it does not follow that both courses are sinful.  The course which leads to the lesser evil- or the greater good- is the right course, and therefore is not sinful.  I believe that we all sin, but I do not believe that God puts us in positions where it is impossible for us to choose a course that pleases him. (See I Corinthians 10:13)- Chris J
 
Comment: Of course it is sinful to fight a war for the wrong reasons, but I don't believe that every war is by definition sinful.  As noted above, war is sometimes the lesser of two evils.  But remember that it only takes one party to start a fight.  When someone is determined to start a fight, we cannot avoid it- we can only decide, through our actions, whether it will be a war or a massacre.  We know that evil will result whichever course we take, but it does not follow that both courses are sinful.  The course which leads to the lesser evil- or the greater good- is the right course, and therefore is not sinful.  I believe that we all sin, but I do not believe that God puts us in positions where it is impossible for us to choose a course that pleases him. (See I Corinthians 10:13)- Chris J
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