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::The Bible does not say that Jesus was a fundamentalist. If it did we would probably not have 300 different denominations in this country, all of them claiming to understard Christ's true beliefs. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:30, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

::The Bible does not say that Jesus was a fundamentalist. If it did we would probably not have 300 different denominations in this country, all of them claiming to understard Christ's true beliefs. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:30, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

:::No, it does not say that. Or that He even was a conservative (by today's standards) nor  does it call Him a Trinitarian or a mono-Theist or Paul a Pentecostal or a Messianic Jew. But if it did that would not have reduced the number of sects claiming such, any more than calling the first believers Christian (Actc 11:26) did.  Such terms describe people based upon certain characteristics, and are often popular due to the well-meaning desire and necessity to spiritually separate themselves from those who profess but manifestly do not possess. (2Cor. 13:5) My careful statement was that Jesus and the apostles certain fit the description of Christians who hold to the evangelical fundamentals, and are manifestly committed to them.  If this suffices as defining a fundamentalist then it should be able to be used. Certainly Jesus believed in the virgin birth, and the infallibility and inerrancy of Scripture, His blood atonement and resurrection, and salvation by grace, and took such stories as Jonah and the fish as literally true. But expanding on these myself, i believe He upheld and  appealed to the reality of eternal torment, and was committed to doctrinal purity, and upheld the moral laws of the O.T, except to intensify them even more. But His spirit was not that of a Fred Phelps.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 20:14, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

:::No, it does not say that. Or that He even was a conservative (by today's standards) nor  does it call Him a Trinitarian or a mono-Theist or Paul a Pentecostal or a Messianic Jew. But if it did that would not have reduced the number of sects claiming such, any more than calling the first believers Christian (Actc 11:26) did.  Such terms describe people based upon certain characteristics, and are often popular due to the well-meaning desire and necessity to spiritually separate themselves from those who profess but manifestly do not possess. (2Cor. 13:5) But the problem is when they go beyond basic doctrines and commitment to peripheral issues as to who constitutes a regenerated believer, such as excluding Pentecostals. My careful statement was that Jesus and the apostles certain fit the description of Christians who hold to the evangelical fundamentals, and are manifestly committed to them.  If this suffices as defining a fundamentalist then it should be able to be used for them. Certainly Jesus believed in the virgin birth, and the infallibility and inerrancy of Scripture, His blood atonement and resurrection, and salvation by grace, and took such stories as Jonah and the fish as literally true, and was committed to heart and doctrinal purity. Whether He intended musical instruments for the church i know not, and am certain the time of the rapture is not an essential. But i do believe He upheld and  appealed to the reality of eternal torment, and upheld the moral laws of the O.T, except to intensify them even more. But His spirit was not that of a Fred Phelps.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 20:14, 15 July 2009 (EDT)