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Talk:Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. (view source)
Revision as of 18:31, August 28, 2009
, 18:31, August 28, 2009Can I help?
:::::The noted liberal apologist, Doris Kearns Goodwin? For most conservatives, she is little better than a troll. It is astounding anyone conservative would consider her a reliable source! What's next, Maureen Dowd? --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 14:14, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::The noted liberal apologist, Doris Kearns Goodwin? For most conservatives, she is little better than a troll. It is astounding anyone conservative would consider her a reliable source! What's next, Maureen Dowd? --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 14:14, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::My own views are based on reading his private letters, which have been published. But what about Joe Kennedy makes people think he was a liberal, that's the mystery! I think they assume that since the Kennedy brothers have been liberal for 40+ years it must have been true for Joe, but not so. Bobby Kennedy in the 1950s for example was close to Joe McCarthy (who was godfather to one of Bobby's kids--for Catholics, that's pretty close). I've listed the major issues of the day on every one of which Kennedy took the conservative position--economics, social issues, foreign policy, Communism, labor unions, taxes, religion. He funded conservative causes and was vehemently denounced by liberals as a conservative. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:24, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::My own views are based on reading his private letters, which have been published. But what about Joe Kennedy makes people think he was a liberal, that's the mystery! I think they assume that since the Kennedy brothers have been liberal for 40+ years it must have been true for Joe, but not so. Bobby Kennedy in the 1950s for example was close to Joe McCarthy (who was godfather to one of Bobby's kids--for Catholics, that's pretty close). I've listed the major issues of the day on every one of which Kennedy took the conservative position--economics, social issues, foreign policy, Communism, labor unions, taxes, religion. He funded conservative causes and was vehemently denounced by liberals as a conservative. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:24, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
I propose that instead of arguing the matter, we use either of two criteria:
#how have historians (or politicians) labeled him?
#list the positions or activities which CP regards as liberal or conservative, and make a chart.
Anti-communism probably qualifies as conservative, but I personally don't regard anti-Semitic language that way. The latter sounds more like an anti-right-wing smear. We need to get clear on stuff like this - including whether ending discrimination against blacks is cause more supported by Republicans and conservatives, or by Democrats and liberals. I daresay there is a lively dispute over who "owns" the race issue. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 14:31, 28 August 2009 (EDT)