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Talk:Action at a distance (view source)
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:::It remains to be seen whether quantum entanglement transfers information instantaneously; there is no reason under [[quantum mechanics]] to doubt that possibility. The [[theory of relativity]] rejects any instantaneous action-at-a-distance, whether there is a transfer of information or not, and hence its fundamental conflict with [[QM]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:06, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
:::It remains to be seen whether quantum entanglement transfers information instantaneously; there is no reason under [[quantum mechanics]] to doubt that possibility. The [[theory of relativity]] rejects any instantaneous action-at-a-distance, whether there is a transfer of information or not, and hence its fundamental conflict with [[QM]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:06, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
::::If i may ask, how do you transfer information trough entanglement alone? --[[User:Stitch75|Stitch75]] 00:45, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
I think it is slightly misleading to claim that Newtonian gravity and electrostatics are non-local theories since although, when they were originally formulated, they were implcitly believed to be such, they have now both been superceded by more comprehensive theories (General Relativity and Electromagnetism respectively) which support locality. [[User:PBowler|PBowler]] 14:29, 2 October 2009 (GMT + 1)
I think it is slightly misleading to claim that Newtonian gravity and electrostatics are non-local theories since although, when they were originally formulated, they were implcitly believed to be such, they have now both been superceded by more comprehensive theories (General Relativity and Electromagnetism respectively) which support locality. [[User:PBowler|PBowler]] 14:29, 2 October 2009 (GMT + 1)
: There's no disputing that Newtonian gravity and electrostatics are non-local theories, whether they've been supplanted or not. Note, by the way, that attempts to conform General Relativity to locality, such as by finding gravitons, have been unsuccessfully despite spending hundreds of millions of dollars looking.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:03, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
: There's no disputing that Newtonian gravity and electrostatics are non-local theories, whether they've been supplanted or not. Note, by the way, that attempts to conform General Relativity to locality, such as by finding gravitons, have been unsuccessfully despite spending hundreds of millions of dollars looking.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:03, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:: Since Electrostatics as well as Newtonian gravity deal with the underlying fields in a non-time dependent instantaneous manner. The fact that a changing electrical field in not described by this theory is something i can demonstrate in a lab course experiment with material costs of less than $2000 (nowadays). And yes, the experiments where you can show that are the ones who lead to the Maxwell equations, which lead to relativity, so i am not sure i can follow your arguing. Moreover, as far as i am aware, right now people are trying to detect gravitational waves, not gravitons. (which gives you actually the additional point that detecting general relativity alone is already quite expensive. Detecting gravitons experimentally will be out of reach for us for a long time). --[[User:Stitch75|Stitch75]] 00:45, 12 September 2009 (EDT)