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:No one here is saying that morals, character, and faith do not matter, nor is anyone saying that moral relativism is correct. I am merely saying that an argument's strength is determined by the argument, not the speaker. Do you disagree? [[User:CCalloway|CCalloway]] 10:08, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
 
:No one here is saying that morals, character, and faith do not matter, nor is anyone saying that moral relativism is correct. I am merely saying that an argument's strength is determined by the argument, not the speaker. Do you disagree? [[User:CCalloway|CCalloway]] 10:08, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
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:: I completely agree with CCalloway (I love your name by the way). I'm recently converted from Atheism, and the reason is that I had a profound experience concerning God and prayer. I will assert this: many atheists are no less moral than most Christians. Part of the lunacy of this website is that it assumes that morality is only in the hands of the believers, which is extremely false. Believe it or not, my morals have remained almost ENTIRELY intact after the conversion. Why? Because I already had a high standard of morals. TK, atheists HAVE standards of honesty and truth; they just don't have a Bible to show for it.
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The irony here, TK, is that you yourself are being deceitful and UNChristian in your beliefs. To be a "moral" in your eyes, a person has to live up to YOUR Christian standards. Doesn't Paul assert that holding nonbelievers to Christian standards is pointless and harmful? Doesn't the Hebrew Bible assert that those who live the way of the Torah and are righteous are blessed people, regardless of their creed? I suggest you adopt a new attitude, good sir. If you were REALLY Christian, you wouldn't hate so much. You wouldn't condemn people for being different than you. [[User:Probus1|Probus1]]
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