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Line 1: + + + + + − One more quick thing, looking back at Luke 9:3, rather than resorting to such terse paraphrase, what about the following: "And he said to them, Take nothing on your travels--not walking sticks, wallets, bread, or money--not even two coats!"--[[User:Caspianrex|Cory Howell]] 15:53, 21 October 2009 (EDT) − − I thought the removal of some of the and's qualified as a minor edit, so I took some of them out. Please forgive me if I overstepped my bounds. And feel free to change it back! :-) --[[User:Caspianrex|Cory Howell]] 16:13, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
Talk:Luke 9-16 (Translated) (view source)
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, 15:46, October 22, 2009translation of ευαγγελιον in Luke
I am a bit concerned by how often I am seeing the term "God" arbitrarily replaced with "the Lord." (For example, "Kingdom of God" changed to "Truth of the Lord.") The two terms are not synonymous, and I feel the difference between θεος and κυριος should be retained. Also, in the Gospel of Luke, and elsewhere on the site, "Truth" used as a translation of several different words: Kingdom, Word, gospel. This is a big problem. You can't simply replace every complex term with "truth."
I am a bit concerned by how often I am seeing the term "God" arbitrarily replaced with "the Lord." (For example, "Kingdom of God" changed to "Truth of the Lord.") The two terms are not synonymous, and I feel the difference between θεος and κυριος should be retained. Also, in the Gospel of Luke, and elsewhere on the site, "Truth" used as a translation of several different words: Kingdom, Word, gospel. This is a big problem. You can't simply replace every complex term with "truth."
:The distinction between 'Lord' and 'God', the substitution of 'Truth' for 'Word' is a matter for [[Bible Translation Issues]]. Specific problems with Luke 9-16 can be discussed here. [[User:JohnFraiser|JohnFraiser]] 10:22, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:The distinction between 'Lord' and 'God', the substitution of 'Truth' for 'Word' is a matter for [[Bible Translation Issues]]. Specific problems with Luke 9-16 can be discussed here. [[User:JohnFraiser|JohnFraiser]] 10:22, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
== Translation of ευαγγελιον ==
Luke 9:6- I don't know if "spreading the Truth" is a very good translation here. Wouldn't a better translation of the Greek ευαγγελιζομενοι (euangelizomenoi) be "proclaiming the good news"? Or the more traditional "preaching the gospel"? I think it may be a bad idea to downplay the term "gospel" too much. After all, most conservatives should be pretty familiar with the term "gospel."
Luke 9:6- I don't know if "spreading the Truth" is a very good translation here. Wouldn't a better translation of the Greek ευαγγελιζομενοι (euangelizomenoi) be "proclaiming the good news"? Or the more traditional "preaching the gospel"? I think it may be a bad idea to downplay the term "gospel" too much. After all, most conservatives should be pretty familiar with the term "gospel."
Also, in Luke 9:7, I tend to think that simply identifying Herod the tetrarch as Herod Antipas would be preferable to calling him "Herod the Roman puppet ruler." No doubt, Herod was a puppet of Rome, but it seems overly interpretive to call him a puppet ruler. "Tetrarch" simply was a term to indicate the region that Herod Antipas controlled.--[[User:Caspianrex|Cory Howell]] 15:48, 21 October 2009 (EDT)Cory Howell
Also, in Luke 9:7, I tend to think that simply identifying Herod the tetrarch as Herod Antipas would be preferable to calling him "Herod the Roman puppet ruler." No doubt, Herod was a puppet of Rome, but it seems overly interpretive to call him a puppet ruler. "Tetrarch" simply was a term to indicate the region that Herod Antipas controlled.--[[User:Caspianrex|Cory Howell]] 15:48, 21 October 2009 (EDT)Cory Howell
:Over at the Gospel of Mark, the decision was made to translate ευαγγελιον as "good news." It seems to me that the same convention should be followed here in Luke. Therefore, "spreading the Truth" in Luke 9:6 should be rendered either "proclaiming the good news" or "spreading the good news." "Proclaiming" would be more literal, and "spreading" would be a little more figurative, but would more clearly present the idea of the gospel spreading across the countryside.--[[User:Caspianrex|Cory Howell]] 11:46, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
Just one more, and then I'm done for the moment. Actually, two more little things. First, in Luke 9:4, the rendering "if anyone invites you into their house" is not good for two reasons: "anyone" is singular and doesn't agree grammatically with "their house," and there is nothing in the Greek text about being invited in. A more literal, and simpler, reading would be "whatever house you enter..." Also, for this whole chapter, it may be a good idea to consider not translating the Greek particle και every time the King James has "and" at the beginning of a sentence. (Luke 9: 2-6) It makes for better English to reduce some of those occurrences of "and," and it's a minor thing, as far as the original language is concerned. The modern reader can easily find the endless repetition offputting.--[[User:Caspianrex|Cory Howell]] 16:02, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
Just one more, and then I'm done for the moment. Actually, two more little things. First, in Luke 9:4, the rendering "if anyone invites you into their house" is not good for two reasons: "anyone" is singular and doesn't agree grammatically with "their house," and there is nothing in the Greek text about being invited in. A more literal, and simpler, reading would be "whatever house you enter..." Also, for this whole chapter, it may be a good idea to consider not translating the Greek particle και every time the King James has "and" at the beginning of a sentence. (Luke 9: 2-6) It makes for better English to reduce some of those occurrences of "and," and it's a minor thing, as far as the original language is concerned. The modern reader can easily find the endless repetition offputting.--[[User:Caspianrex|Cory Howell]] 16:02, 21 October 2009 (EDT)