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Talk:United States Constitution (view source)
Revision as of 12:52, October 22, 2011
, 12:52, October 22, 2011→Exactly How were My Edits Wrong?
--[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 17:07, 13 November 2009 (EST)
--[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 17:07, 13 November 2009 (EST)
: Update: I'm putting this content at [[Constitutional Amendment]] for the present, where I've also copied all the links under the [[United States Constitution#Amendments|Amendments]] heading. I think we should have everything either at one place or the other. -- [[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 17:40, 13 November 2009 (EST)
==Where's the REST of it?==
==Where's the REST of it?==
If one examines the Statutes at Large of the United States, Statute #1 is the Declaration of Independence, Statute #2 are the Articles, and there is no notation that they're not in force and effect. In fact, there are powers listed in the Articles that Congress exercises, that are not listed in the Constitution. For example, conscription is plainly listed in the Articles but omitted from the Constitution. Another tidbit is found in the prosecution of "status criminals" (vagrants, paupers, etc) that Black's Law dictionary notes are "constitutionally suspect" yet were prosecuted between 1777 and 1935 *(Socialist revolution). Article IV lists three excepted classes - paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice.--[[User:Jetgraphics|Jetgraphics]] 11:28, 14 November 2007 (EST)
If one examines the Statutes at Large of the United States, Statute #1 is the Declaration of Independence, Statute #2 are the Articles, and there is no notation that they're not in force and effect. In fact, there are powers listed in the Articles that Congress exercises, that are not listed in the Constitution. For example, conscription is plainly listed in the Articles but omitted from the Constitution. Another tidbit is found in the prosecution of "status criminals" (vagrants, paupers, etc) that Black's Law dictionary notes are "constitutionally suspect" yet were prosecuted between 1777 and 1935 *(Socialist revolution). Article IV lists three excepted classes - paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice.--[[User:Jetgraphics|Jetgraphics]] 11:28, 14 November 2007 (EST)
Article 6 says the federal government assumes the debts and treaties of the Articles, preventing a default on its obligations. It also says that the Constitution is the SUPREME law of the land, so it therefore supersedes the Articles and the Declaration. [[User:John101|John101]]
== Exactly How were My Edits Wrong? ==
== Exactly How were My Edits Wrong? ==
::::I never said the United States was based on lies. If anything, I said that the Constitution was made through illegal means--WHICH IS TRUE. Also, I did not say that the Founding Fathers were evil. All people are, but it was the "Federalists" (who were actually Nationalists if you understand the differences between nationalism and federalism) that were deceitful. The Anti-Federalists (the REAL Federalists) opposed it and even Patrick Henry said, "I smell a rat in Philadelphia!" If it wasn't for people who questioned the government and upheld such conservatism that the REAL Federalists did, we'd have the same centralized government we have today two-hundred years ago. Stop being rude to people. [[User:Avalerion|Avalerion]]
::::I never said the United States was based on lies. If anything, I said that the Constitution was made through illegal means--WHICH IS TRUE. Also, I did not say that the Founding Fathers were evil. All people are, but it was the "Federalists" (who were actually Nationalists if you understand the differences between nationalism and federalism) that were deceitful. The Anti-Federalists (the REAL Federalists) opposed it and even Patrick Henry said, "I smell a rat in Philadelphia!" If it wasn't for people who questioned the government and upheld such conservatism that the REAL Federalists did, we'd have the same centralized government we have today two-hundred years ago. Stop being rude to people. [[User:Avalerion|Avalerion]]
:::Go away. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:07, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Go away. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:07, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
The gears were turning to create a new government rather slowly, and Alexander Hamilton proposed a convention to fix the Articles. This may have been illegal at the time, but the Congress resolved to endorse it. [[User:John101|John101]]
Just wanna point out that the Declaration of Independence was illegal. It was the right thing to do, but the States had no legal right to break away from the British Empire. As Britain revoked all claim in the Treaty of Paris (1783), signing the Constitution in 1789 would have been legal. - [[User:JamesCA|JamesCA]] 08:52, 22 October 2011 (EDT)