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:::::::One way to evaluate religions, or quasi-religions, is to look at the fruit it bears.  What has it helped achieved?  In the case of relativity, it has produced nothing.  Nil.  Zippo.  After nearly 100 years and a ton of money.  If you find the math in relativity fun, great, but relativity is not going to help anyone.  It never has.  Pick up a Bible in between some equations.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:31, 15 November 2009 (EST)

:::::::One way to evaluate religions, or quasi-religions, is to look at the fruit it bears.  What has it helped achieved?  In the case of relativity, it has produced nothing.  Nil.  Zippo.  After nearly 100 years and a ton of money.  If you find the math in relativity fun, great, but relativity is not going to help anyone.  It never has.  Pick up a Bible in between some equations.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:31, 15 November 2009 (EST)

::::::::Oh, Andy. No one could have possibly misinterpreted your lack of response. You're nothing if not … well, let's just go with "consistent." With love, Kate. --[[User:KSorenson|KSorenson]] 18:51, 15 November 2009 (EST)

::::::::''"Relativity has quasi-religious status for many…regardless of its far-fetched assumptions and non-falsifiability."''  As has already been shown repeatedly by those knowledgeable and qualified in the subject such as KSorenson the theory of general relativity is eminently falsifiable.  For instance the two gravity probes (GP-A and GP-B) were launched specifically to measure rate change of a clock in lower gravity and space-time curvature near the Earth respectively, both experiments specifically testing the theory of relativity. As both experiments were to test the theory of relativity this means that the theory of relativity meets the requirements to be considered falsifiable.  This is as patently obvious as stating that 2+2=4. If the theory of relativity is not falsifiable then no experiment can exist to test it.  The existence of Gravity Probes A & B automatically that the  previous statement cannot be true.  So, the undeniable existence of Gravity Probes A & B now proving the falsifiability of the theory of general relativity this means that by Karl Popper's rigorous standard the theory of relativity meets the requirements to be a science.  This is immediately obvious to anyone who has made an in depth study of Popper's work, the kind of study that all students of the pure sciences undergo, although strangely enough those students of those subjects which use an applied form of science never seem to be taught such things to the levels required.  Presumably this is because the standard of science they are taught is considerably less rigorous or in-depth than the standards expected of and required of students of the pure sciences.

 

::::::::As the theory of relativity meets the requirements to be considered a science then this in turn means the first part of your statement:  ''"Relativity has a quasi-religious status"'' is itself false.  Science is not religion.  Religion requires hope, hope that what one believes is true. Science requires absolute cynicism, it requires one to say "this is my idea, help me prove it wrong". To this date tests on the theory of general relativity has failed to show that it is wrong, and where measurements have been made to confirm or deny the accuracy of the general theory of relativity such results have shown that the predictions made by the theory of relativity are accurate to the observed effects well within the scientifically determined margins of error.

 

::::::::The statement that ''"relativity is not going to help anyone"'' is, of course, as wrong as you can get.  The theory of relativity opened up a massive area of study, and there are no known limits to what may be achieved through such studies.  It is not hyperbole to state that the creation of the theory of relativity is as important, if not more important, than the discovery of the safe generation and transference of electricity.  This is known and accepted by everybody who has an in depth knowledge of the subject, knowledge gained through years of learning and self-teaching that begins after one leaves university, after one has gained the bedrock of knowledge required to begin teaching oneself the true depths of a subject.

 

::::::::I beg of you this one thing.  Open up your Bible and truly study the price one pays for Arrogance and Pride.  Learn the lesson that the true Student and Teacher must come to the subjects they study in a state of Humility.  Of all the posts on the subject of general relativity each and every person that has made an in depth study of the subject have stated that the views you hold on general relativity are wrong.  The only person who states that your views are correct are yourself.  Look inside yourself and ask if your stubborn resistance to accept what others learned in the subject have to say on this matter is arrogance, pride or humility.