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Talk:Essay:Quantifying Order (view source)
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:Daniel, we addressed this on the Genesis talk page, and you seem to be bringing up the same nonsense as there. "Its acknowledging that the Bible is a product of the time(s) when it was written." The Bible is '''not''' a cultural product. It is the inspired word of God. The Logic of the bible is not ancient. It is divine. Methinks you've listened to too many liberal apologists. [[User:DouglasA|DouglasA]] 13:21, 23 November 2009 (EST)
:Daniel, we addressed this on the Genesis talk page, and you seem to be bringing up the same nonsense as there. "Its acknowledging that the Bible is a product of the time(s) when it was written." The Bible is '''not''' a cultural product. It is the inspired word of God. The Logic of the bible is not ancient. It is divine. Methinks you've listened to too many liberal apologists. [[User:DouglasA|DouglasA]] 13:21, 23 November 2009 (EST)
So, Douglas, am I to take it that you believe that televisions are referred to in Matthew's gospel? And you say that my comments are "nonsense"! But if the Bible is not a cultural product, then how is it that you are supposedly finding the products of the 20th and 21st centuries in it? You want to deny that ancient cultures had any influence in the Bible's writing, yet apparently only our modern day culture can fully understand it. If the Bible is the timeless word of God, then the ancient Hebrew should have been as fully able of comprehending it as an early 21st Century American. It shouldn't require the happenstance of the invention of television to understand what the Bible says.
You might want to talk with Michael Back about this, as well. "As for the logos, John was using a concept the Greeks had . . to help the Greeks better understand who and what Jesus was," he wrote. This definitely sounds like its a "cultural product", especially since Mr Back "highly doubts" that the term logos - and the Greek ideas related to it - is "EXACTLY who Jesus is". (Emphasis in the original.) When asked by the scribe which is the greatest commandment, Jesus responded that the Shema Yisrael is. But then he added: "The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself." (Mark 12:29-31) These two great commandments are Jewish, from Deuteronomy and Leviticus. Rabbi Hillel, who lived at same time as Jesus, told the man hopping about on one leg that the Torah can be reduced to this: What is hateful to you, don't do to another. So we can see that Jesus' words were part and parcel of the cultural milieu of his time. They, and the gospel they are in, were cultural products. And now these ancient cultural products are part and parcel of our culture. They don't require televisions, dinosaurs or the Second Law of Thermodynamics for further explication. Like the Socratic "Know thyself", they stand on their own, as relevant today as they were 2,000 years ago or more. - Danielitld
::The Bible is logic, as Douglas says. Logic yields insights. It did for Newton, for everyone's benefit. Of course Newton wasn't correct about everything he did. But he got enough things right, and the Bible helped. It can help us too ... in all areas of life, including science.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:38, 23 November 2009 (EST)
::The Bible is logic, as Douglas says. Logic yields insights. It did for Newton, for everyone's benefit. Of course Newton wasn't correct about everything he did. But he got enough things right, and the Bible helped. It can help us too ... in all areas of life, including science.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:38, 23 November 2009 (EST)