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:Unfortunately, many examples of deceit are so widespread that there is no consensus that they ARE deceit. For example, Conservapedia recognizes global warming as deception, but the mainstream media, and a significant portion of the American public, don't realize it. Similarly, just because some people think Obama is not a muslim, doesn't mean we should cave to their liberal pressure. Given the evidence for Obama being a muslim, I think it certainly belongs here. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:25, 28 November 2009 (EST)
:Unfortunately, many examples of deceit are so widespread that there is no consensus that they ARE deceit. For example, Conservapedia recognizes global warming as deception, but the mainstream media, and a significant portion of the American public, don't realize it. Similarly, just because some people think Obama is not a muslim, doesn't mean we should cave to their liberal pressure. Given the evidence for Obama being a muslim, I think it certainly belongs here. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:25, 28 November 2009 (EST)
Jacob,
::Jacob,
To take your example of global warming, yes, I agree that global warming is a gigantic deception. However, the purpose of this page is not to expose specific examples of deception. We can do that quite effectively on our global-warming page. The purpose of this page is to give the reader a clear idea of what deception is. It is therefore counter-productive to give examples of deception that the reader will quite possibly/probably disagree with. The same applies to Obama. We have quite thoroughly alleged that he is a Muslim on our Obama page. However, that ought not be our purpose on this page. Our purpose is to illustrate the concept of deceit, and that is best done with widely recognized examples. --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] <sub>[[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]]</sub> 20:35, 28 November 2009 (EST)
::To take your example of global warming, yes, I agree that global warming is a gigantic deception. However, the purpose of this page is not to expose specific examples of deception. We can do that quite effectively on our global-warming page. The purpose of this page is to give the reader a clear idea of what deception is. It is therefore counter-productive to give examples of deception that the reader will quite possibly/probably disagree with. The same applies to Obama. We have quite thoroughly alleged that he is a Muslim on our Obama page. However, that ought not be our purpose on this page. Our purpose is to illustrate the concept of deceit, and that is best done with widely recognized examples. --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] <sub>[[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]]</sub> 20:35, 28 November 2009 (EST)
:::You make an excellent point. I think the "if true" qualifier should cover this. If a user reads this page who believes Obama is a Christian, surely they can still agree that if he was a muslim claiming to be Christian, this would constitute an enormous deceit. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:38, 28 November 2009 (EST)