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Line 1: − == Question: Divine Guardian ==+ − − Just curious. − :See [[Talk:Gospel of Mark (Translated)#Holy Spirit|the discussion]] which led to this change. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 15:56, 7 October 2009 (EDT) − :Thanks. [[User:JohnBennett|JohnBennett]] − − − Having already stated my position on the [[Talk:Conservative Bible Project]] page, including that a word for word type translation can overall be the only faithful one, believing even the precise meaning of individual words is critical, here is my input so far on selected verses, − − Mt. 1:1 This leaves out ''book'', bib'-los, which is in the Gk., as if that was superfluous. Worse, ''son'' is replaced with the liberal gender-neutral ''descendant''. This sets a bad precedent, as if "sent His only begotten decedent" might be acceptable. − − Mt. 1:2 "Abraham begat Isaac" vs "Abraham was the father of Isaac" The latter conceivably allows for adoption. − − 1:18 ''pregnant with the child of the Divine Guide'' (really!) Likewise in v.20, 3:11, etc.) Using Divine for the Holy (''hagios'', otherwise translated in KJV as holy, or saints) disregards His specifically denoted sanctity (which liberals dislike, and do not consider God that holy). Also, ''Guide'' for ''Ghost'' interprets breath as according to His guiding function, while His primary distinctive effect in the N.T. is that of giving life, a purely Divine attribute, and which the human pneuma also denotes. "The body without the spirit is dead". (Jn. 2:26). The ''Holy Spirit'' best denotes both His sanctity and nature, and should remain unchanged. − − 1:19 ''Jospeh'', typo. ''Wished'' is a poor choice for ''minded'' - boo'-lom-ahee Middle voice of a primary verb; to “will”. "Make a wish and blow out the candle" indicates superficiality. [Strongly] desired would have more substance. − − 1:24 ''and wed Mary''. Married is clearer to the young. − − 2:4 I'm wondering if the phrase "where Christ would be born" shouldn't rather be "where the Christ would be born." The former makes it sound as if Christ is a surname, rather than a title. "Where the Messiah would be born" would make it more clear that Herod was worrying about the impending birth of the King of the Jews.--[[User:Caspianrex|Cory Howell]] 14:05, 22 October 2009 (EDT) − − 2:7 "which would announce Christ's birth." This is not in the original, and though it is not inaccurate, such supplied words should be placed in ''italics'' or [brackets] (i notice both used in other places) so the reader can distinguish between God's word and mans helpful additions. − − 2:12 Analysis: "That God gave the warning directly is an assumption. That God was instrumental in the giving of that warning is certainly a safe assumption. " That leans toward liberal Deism. The text states that "being warned of God in a dream." That God purposely gave them a dream to warn them is conveyed a fact, not an assumption. − − 3:3 cf. Is. 40:3. Infers Jesus Deity. − − 3:7 "You jerks! Who has warned you to flee from the divine sentence that's coming to you? ''Jerks'' for ''generation of vipers[snakes]'', is hardly fitting, while ''divine sentence'' is hardly as strong as ''wrath'', which liberals would avoid, and ''wrath'' (orgē ) denotes what manner of ''sentence'' it will be. − − 5:4 "Blessed are the sad". ''Mourn'' better denotes continuous grieving, which is the thought here, not simply being emotionally ''sad'', which lacks continuity. Mourn is used 45 times in the KJV. − − 5:6 "hunger and thirst for justice". Justice denotes things like social equality, and is used by liberal social gospel advocates, while righteousness (Dikaiosunē) denotes a personal condition of heart, satisfaction coming in Christ. (Rm. 4) These saying are best seen as relating to Psa 34:18: "The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit." Some other modern translations even use justice in Rm. 4 and that is a poor rendering for today. Dikaiosunē Total KJV Occurrences: 93 righteousness, 91 − − 5:9 Likewise. Liberals are not persecuted for standing for moral righteousness, but promote justice as in equal rights for immorality. Those who oppose them see this verse fulfilled. − − 5:22 ''Moron'' rather than ''fool''. Denotes "A person of subnormal intelligence," but do not use in other places where it is about being a fool, as being foolish. − − 6:16 "I tell you truly: they will get what's coming to them." Not will have, but have. Reward is not the that difficult a word, and should be used for the sake of consistency. misthos Total KJV Occurrences: 29: reward, 24 hire, 3 wages, 2. − − 6:22 "your whole body will be bright", versus "full of light". "Full of" is not in the Gk, but light is correct, as it relates to spiritually speaking, inwardly, and light is a powerful and abundantly used metaphor in the N.T. This verse correlates to 2Cor. 4:6; Heb. 12:2 − − "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." vs "The bad things that happen today are enough to worry about today." . A day's evil is enough ''for itself.'' [[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 19:47, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
Talk:Matthew 1-9 (Translated) (view source)
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For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18-19
I'm curious why "Holy Ghost" was translated as "Divine Guardian" (Matt 1:18). What is the thinking here? Why not choose a phrase like "Holy Spirit" which might better suggest both his connection to the Holy Trinity and also his spirit nature.
== Matthew 1:23 ==
== Matthew 1:23 ==