Block, Automoderated users, edit
398
edits
Changes
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
Line 227:
Line 227: − + Line 233:
Line 233: − + Line 273:
Line 273: − + +
John 8-14 (Translated) (view source)
Revision as of 20:22, December 3, 2009
, 20:22, December 3, 2009→Chapter 8
|44
|44
|Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
|Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
|You are from your father, the devil, and you deeply desire to do what your father wants. He was a murderer from the beginning and he has never stood for the Truth, because the Truth is not in him. Whenever he lies, he is speaking his real language, because he is not just a liar, he is the father of lying.
|You are from your father, the devil, and you deeply desire to do what your father wants. He was a murderer from the beginning and he has never stood for the Truth, because the Truth is not in him. Whenever he lies, he is speaking his real language, because he is not just a liar, he is the father of lying.
|
|
|-
|-
|And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
|And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
|So naturally, because I speak the Truth, you do not believe in me.
|So naturally, because I speak the Truth, you do not believe in me.
|If it weren't so serious, this would be hilarious. Jesus has just built an entire argument around how Satan and the Truth are complete and total opposites, and Satan isn't just any old liar, but is the author of all lying, so naturally, since they desire nothing more than to do whatever Satan wants, they MUST reject the Truth.
|If it weren't so serious, this would be hilarious. Jesus has just built an entire argument around how Satan and the Truth are complete and total opposites, and Satan isn't just any old liar, but is the author of all lying, so naturally, since they desire nothing more than to do whatever Satan wants, they MUST reject the Truth. Ouch. Jesus is pulling no punches here.
|-
|-
|46
|46
|Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
|Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
|You are not greater than our father Abraham, are you? He and the prophets all died. Just who do you think you are?"
|You are not greater than our father Abraham, are you? He and the prophets all died. Just who do you think you are?"
|Rhetorical question implying a "no" answer. Note that the exchange between Jesus and the Jews is escalating from a discussion of being set free from sin to counter accusations of being Satanic. Jesus tells them their father is not Abraham or God, but the devil. This is a more forceful way of saying what Paul later posited: that the real circumcision, and real Jews, are those who follow Jesus, not those who happen to have Jewish bloodlines. The Jews counter with "you are a demon possessed Samaritan," which is about the worst insult one could give a Jew, as, in addition to the counter charge of demon possession, it carries the implied accusations the Jews made against Samaritans: "your doctrines are false," and "your bloodlines are impure."
|Rhetorical question implying a "no" answer.
Note that the exchange between Jesus and the Jews is escalating from a discussion of being set free from sin to counter accusations of being Satanic. Jesus tells them their father is not Abraham or God, but the devil. This is a more forceful way of saying what Paul later posited: that the real circumcision, and real Jews, are those who follow Jesus, not those who happen to have Jewish bloodlines. The Jews counter with "you are a demon possessed Samaritan," which is about the worst insult one could give a Jew, as, in addition to the counter charge of demon possession, it carries the implied accusations the Jews made against Samaritans: "your doctrines are false," and "your bloodlines are impure."
|-
|-
|54
|54